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By Canobie Coaster · Posted
I thought Great White was running well a few weeks ago. I wouldn't mind Millennium Flyers or Timberliners though since I prefer those trains. -
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The sky ride was running on Friday! (7/30/21) -
There was a grander plan back post wild thing before Cedarfair grew so large for VF to get a hotel on site and to expand further into the flood plane but that was lost in the company’s growth. The park has seen growth in attendance from valleyscare but attendance has been disappointing otherwise and when you ask most people who aren’t season pass holders why they haven’t gone to VF in a while they say what’s new there? One major investment won’t permanently solve the attendance problem it will only be temporary but it keeps the park relevant and that counts for something otherwise it’s just stagnant. You make major changes/investments every four or five years and it keeps the park current. -
By disownedpear · Posted
Oh heavens no. But seriously the vaping has been a real issue, most employees are getting paid below minimum wage and could simply care less. Never seen people vape on the actual rides till this year. Someone was vaping down the drop of Superman... -
If CF was trying to turn VF into a destination park, sure, that might hold true. But for a regional-draw park like VF, if their established crowd is enough to consistently earn the company a substantial enough profit margin, there is nothing really to be gained from investing $10+ million in a major attraction. I've never been to VF, but I do have Dorney, another low-tier CF park, quite local and go quite frequently, so I have some experience on this topic - Their dry park crowds are steady, even with no major new addition since 2012 (Stinger, which is now gone). Their water park is the money maker - it consistently is *slammed* during the summer months, and they haven't added anything substantial to that side since 2014, and their only "modern-style" slide complex are those drop-capsules. None of this has negatively affected their crowd draw, and Dorney has some major competition in a two-hour-drive radius (SFGAdv, Hershey, Knoebel's, Morey's, even Nick Universe). If VF, Dorney, or WoF, were to add a major coaster that would draw enthusiasts, it might increase crowds for a year or two while enthusiasts travel there to experience it. But that's it. Would that be enough to justify the expense? Probably not. The local crowd will continue to go even with only minor additions or no additions at all. Listen, I get it...we all want our "home parks" to get the biggest and best, or even anything new every now and then. But from a business standpoint, it makes no sense if the park continues to make enough to sustain it and appease the local "GP" crowd without one. All of this is doubly-true this year, where we see crowd levels at parks that have never been seen before, to the point where SEAS parks don't even see a point in opening their major additions - it would do nothing to draw additional crowds in when the parks are already packed. I fail to see how local parks care more about the "customer experience" than Cedar Fair, especially in the context of major ride additions. Knoebels, widely regarded as the one of the best parks in the country, hasn't had a "major addition" since 2015, and that ride (Impulse) wouldn't even be considered a "major" addition at a CF or SF park. Yet, they continue to draw crowds to an extent that sustains their business model. Of course CF cares about the customer experience...if they didn't they wouldn't have skyrocketed their pay rates to try to eliminate the staffing issues they've had this year. Sure, they cut back their hours to minimize the cut to the profit margin from that salary increase, but even Knoebels closed 50-60% of their rides mid-week. Look at SEAS, which has made massive improvements in "customer experience" at BGW recently by moving to a year-round operation. Yes, smaller, independent parks have their charm, but to say that they universally care more about the "customer experience" than major chains is over simplifying the issue. Like who, Palace/Parques Reunidos? We see how well they do managing their existing parks. -
They will never make an investment like they did with WildThing which at the time was a world class coaster (before they ratcheted up the braking), the park is lacking however in the area of coasters so a mid sized but unique coaster would draw people and be a good long term investment for the park. There is a ceiling for the kind of draw a park like Valleyfair has but they haven’t hit it in decades, there biggest success has been Valleyscare which has brought up their attendance figures. I don’t know that the current management/board at Cedarfair will do anything though, the company grew too big and their priority is the destination parks so smaller regional parks like VF will just get left at the bottom of the barrel. The best thing that could happen is they would sell VF to a smaller owner who would have more of a vested interest in giving the park the attention it deserves.
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By MisterBrow · Posted
Attempt 5 of the season to ride Harley Quinn as successful. I am not accustomed to this park being packed, I prefer the ghost town vibe and riding everything , lunch, snack and out in under 2 and a half hours. Three hours for HQ and a burger was extreme. Johnny Rocket's can be just as entertaining as the stunt show. One person cooking and one person taking orders, a rainbow of every color shirt manager just overwhelmed. At one point four managers and three workers. By the way, all of the attention to cleanliness has gone out the window now that COVID is apparently completely over. HQ holds 40 people and WTF every cycle had 20 of them wearing Crocs or slides storing and putting them back on and another 5 that got on the ride and then expect the op to take them off and store them like they be Cinderella. Slooooooooow loading. Vaping , pants down below boxers, wandering restricted areas, and way too much sloppy boob spillage on bikini tops in the dry park all on the rise. All that said, HQ is a nice addition and gives some interest to that area. Along with WW two solid adds . As far as what's next? New trains and name on Mind Eraser would be the best we could hope for. -
Wouldn't the opposite be true? The bigger the crowd, the better case you can make, for investing in a major ride; Small crowd is risky, asking the question- will bigger crowds come with a new major ride? Bigger crowds on the other hand can make a board say "I should keep going with what's drawing them in", that is true. But it also says, I have a crowd to safely support the new rides investment too, as evidenced by lines of people on the existing rides. -
I'm pretty sure Thailand has the world beat on that front, ifyaknowhatimean... -
Most rides should be open during Howl-o-Scream, with the exception of water rides (that's what they've done in the past, at least). Battle for Eire (simulator) and the Skyride haven't been open since 2019. I've heard nothing about Pantheon's status. -
I still don't get all the complaints about the vest restraints on the B&Ms. Other than the first season on GateKeeper, where they did seem to have a tightening problem, I haven't noticed that in seasons since, and I find them generally comfortable. I certainly prefer them to head banging and stinky hard OTS restraints! -
By IronWolfman · Posted
Queue-Times is showing that the park has reported Wild Eagle as down since mid-afternoon last Thursday (July 29). Anyone know anything about this? I know it was closed for a time earlier this year, and wonder if they're having similar problems. Gonna be visiting this Saturday so hopefully they can get it back up! EDIT: And nevermind, appears it's reporting as back up. Guess it just a few-days kind of problem. -
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By michaellynn4 · Posted
If there are any satellite image nerds out there like me, Google Maps updated the aerials for Great Adventure. Looks to be like early spring 2021 - park is open, JDC is complete, but the landscaping isn't touched yet. -
I can choose 9/26 without any problem with Chrome and Edge right now.
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