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I found Grizzly to be the worst wooden roller coaster I have been on. The restraints are horrible. You get no air time what so ever. Not sure if this is something that the park could get RMC to convert. Ride it once for the credit but I would avoid it after that.

 

I'm really surprised that so many people feel this way. We thought Grizzly was fine.

 

It doesn't have any airtime, it doesn't really do anything and the restraints are hilariously asinine but I'm shocked by how many times I hear people refer to it as the worst wood coaster they've ridden.

 

It's not the most interesting ride in the world but it's pretty smooth and in no way uncomfortable. I'd much rather ride a forceless but smooth wood coaster than a rough, jarring POS like Mighty Canadian Minebuster (you know... just as an example). Grizzly isn't super exciting but I can't say we didn't enjoy ourselves while riding it. I would never even dream of listing it as my least favorite wood coaster. To each his own but I don't get it. Even if you find it boring, wouldn't you rather be bored and semi-comfortable than in pain while having the sh*t beat out of you on a rough ass Dinn coaster or something?.

 

I think for Vortex veterans, Patriot is viewed in a much better light because it's an improvement, but if you havent ridden Vortex a lot, and are just comparing Patriot to other Floorless B&Ms, it doesnt compare as favorably.

 

This is probably accurate. If I visited again I would probably re-ride the thing. I feel like I'd overlook the fact that it's the only B&M floorless coaster I would ever dream of describing as "rough" if the layout wasn't so uninteresting but when you put the two together it feels like a bit of a turd. It's rough but not un-rideable, it's just that when you combine the fact that it's rough, the layout sucks and (upcoming TR spoiler alert) my new favorite floorless coaster is an hour away and has been there for almost 2 decades it sort of makes the ride feel like a huge turd. I'm actually eating some crow on this because I was really confident that this thing would be smooth after seeing how well Rougarou turned out but god damn.

 

On the plus side it's a really pretty turd. That blue paint is nuts.

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To be honest the Demon serves the purpose of the next step for kids as long as they get past the inversions. That ride is better suited for kids to enjoy it, while it may be a little rough for audits from a comfort perspective. My niece and nephew loved the Demon at SFGA last year.

 

My problem with Grizzly is that it offered nothing. I would rather ride a wooden roller coaster that offers something entertaining even if it is a little rough. For example I prefer Apocalypse at SFMM any day of the week. It gives some air time despite being a little rougher. Also the restraints were a big problem for Grizzly to be honest. It slowed operations to a crawl. They are poorly designed. I just didn't enjoy the coaster. I enjoyed the Little Dipper at SFGA more because it offered up the opportunity to ride a historic coaster

 

I did perfer Grizzly to Kong at SFDK. I felt that coaster was the worse one that I rode during the trip .

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^Funny you should compare Grizzly and Little Dipper. I'm not totally consistent, but sometimes in wood coaster polls I've ranked Little Dipper dead last because it's the smallest and tamest woodie I've ever ridden (other than its cousin Meteor, now). Often, though, I move up the kiddie and junior woodies ten slots and make my bottom ten out of the worst full-sized ones I've ridden. When I do that, Grizzly takes the honor.

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Absolutely, especially as it will be brand new and extremely popular. I would get to the park at least 45-60 mins before gates open to get in line and then head straight to Railblazer. Even with higher capacity it's going to be crazy for a while since it's brand new.

 

Pro Tip: if you can't be there early, watch for the ride to go down for whatever reason, at which point they will empty the que. This happens very frequently with brand new rides, and most GP guests will not wait at all, which to me is crazy..youll wait in line for 2 hrs+ but not for 15 mins for a breakdown? Anyway, if they empty the que, just stand near the entrance, and when it comes back up, you can walk right on. I did that a lot with Gold Striker when it was new.

The employees will never give you an uptime ETA because they dont want to be responsible for being wrong, but you can kinda gauge it yourself based on what activity is going on in the station. If there are mechanics on the track, especially if there is also no one in the station, it might be a while. If there's a mechanic at the operators panel, theyre probably about to test cycle. First they test cycle empty, then they test cycle with an employee. Usually when you see it start to test cycle, it's 10-15 min wait to be back up if there's no problem.

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^ That's way too risky for a first time visitor and you may get burned with it.

 

In my mind there has to be a balancing act between riding rides early based on capacity and riding better rides first since you'd feel pretty dumb if you missed Railblazer because it had an extended breakdown while you were whoring the wild mouse and it didn't reopen.

 

If you don't get there at park opening strategy barely matters anyway so I'd just hit rides in order of how much I care about riding them.

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^ That's way too risky for a first time visitor and you may get burned with it.

 

In my mind there has to be a balancing act between riding rides early based on capacity and riding better rides first since you'd feel pretty dumb if you missed Railblazer because it had an extended breakdown while you were whoring the wild mouse and it didn't reopen.

 

If you don't get there at park opening strategy barely matters anyway so I'd just hit rides in order of how much I care about riding them.

Yeah by all means get there early if you can, I just meant thats a way to sneak on if you would have otherwise been out of luck.

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I agree that Patriot is trash. I went to CGA in March on the fourth day of it operating season (I posted a mini TR on this thread on page 1146: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42682&start=11450) and finally rode it. While its slightly better than Vortex, its not by much in my opinion. I forgot how good Flight Deck is and was reminded when I rode it then. Gold Striker is my favorite though at CGA (at least until Railblazer opens), I could ride that all day. I also love their Intamin Drop Tower and glad they kept their sky ride (one of three Von Rolls left in CA I think). I haven't ridden Grizzly in a few years but the last time I rode it after Gold Striker was open I thought it was more boring than bad. The loading operations on it are horrible though and I find it pointless now at CGA since they now have a far superior woodie with the same height requirement. You can't agrue that Grizzly is good intro ride for kids or a family ride when it has a 48" height requirement and its layout isn't worth RMcing in my opinion. I think Grizzly has played its course and is ready to go as it's sitting on prime real estate for a future star rollercoaster.

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^Funny you should compare Grizzly and Little Dipper. I'm not totally consistent, but sometimes in wood coaster polls I've ranked Little Dipper dead last because it's the smallest and tamest woodie I've ever ridden (other than its cousin Meteor, now). Often, though, I move up the kiddie and junior woodies ten slots and make my bottom ten out of the worst full-sized ones I've ridden. When I do that, Grizzly takes the honor.

 

 

Antelope at Gulliver's is the tamest I've been on. I like Little Dipper cause the trains are better and more airtime than Grizzly.

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There still hasn't been any word of an official opening, has there? I'm trying to plan a trip there in June, but am awaiting an "official" announcement to be sure. Yes, I realize it's very likely to be open by June, but I also would've thought it'd be open by Memorial Day weekend, and here we are, 3 weeks away from that, and still not a peep. :/

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I have some terminology questions about RailBlazer.

 

What is a 180-degree stall, a zero-G roll, a dive loop, a breaking wave turn, and a heavily banked turn? Also, what makes the 45-degree climb different from other roller coasters? Thanks.

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I have some terminology questions about RailBlazer.

 

What is a 180-degree stall, a zero-G roll, a dive loop, a breaking wave turn, and a heavily banked turn? Also, what makes the 45-degree climb different from other roller coasters? Thanks.

 

-180* Stall - Going straight, track turns upside down and then right side up the same direction it came from, reversing rotation direction.

-Zero-G-Roll - Going straight, track turns upside down then right side up the opposite direction it came from, continuous rotation direction.

-Dive Loop - Track ascends, does a 180* roll, then continues into a half-loop, heading back in the direction it came from.

-Breaking Wave Turn - No clue

-Heavily Banked Turn - I would interpret this as to mean an overbank turn, which would be any turn banked greater than 90*

-45* lift - Special? Not really...most coasters have shallower lifts though.

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There still hasn't been any word of an official opening, has there? I'm trying to plan a trip there in June, but am awaiting an "official" announcement to be sure. Yes, I realize it's very likely to be open by June, but I also would've thought it'd be open by Memorial Day weekend, and here we are, 3 weeks away from that, and still not a peep. :/

 

Yeah, I am going to be there on either the 24th or 25th of June and seriously hope it will be open by then...

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There still hasn't been any word of an official opening, has there? I'm trying to plan a trip there in June, but am awaiting an "official" announcement to be sure. Yes, I realize it's very likely to be open by June, but I also would've thought it'd be open by Memorial Day weekend, and here we are, 3 weeks away from that, and still not a peep. :/

 

I'm surprised there hasn't been an opening day announced yet. I just checked the CGA website and nothing, just "New for 2018".

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Very interesting. Given that it barely crests that drop, I bet it's there in case the train valleys.
Yep I bet you're right, makes sense why they'd have a temporary catwalk there for that until they dial in the controls.

 

I doubt that catwalk is temporary.

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Any news on a potential “media/promo shoot” for Railblazer like they did for Gold Striker? Had a great time when they did this for Gold Striker (found out about it on this thread and registered online), although I remember there was a discussion about it being more for noise testing and less for photo/video materials. Maybe this isn’t needed for Railblazer? Thanks!

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