Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[LiftThrill]

The site is huge. Of course, Dive Machines are huge also. True, many in existence so far have fairly small footprints, but they're also short, compact layouts. Image a CP adoption that actually has a long, interesting layout! I wouldn't rule dive machine out just based on the land.

 

Then again, I'm going to laugh my A$$ off if CP is trying to beat Skyscraper to the punch and build the first 500 ft coaster before 2017 so they can keep their tradition alive. Of course, with how often TDD goes down for wind, and hell, even windseeker, I bet a 500+ foot coaster at CP would operate approximately 10% of the time!

 

If they made a 500+, I'd want it to be a lifted coaster and not an Intamin accelerator.

[CpBluestreakCp]

Do you guys think the dorms are coming down at all for 2016? Wouldn't they probably already be taking them down if it were for project 2016?

[kidcoaster 2]

Do you guys think the dorms are coming down at all for 2016? Wouldn't they probably already be taking them down if it were for project 2016?

 

 

They would probably hold off as long as they could on removing the dorms as there are employees currently living there. They usually close the dorms around labor day every year.

[DoinItForTheFame]

The site is huge. Of course, Dive Machines are huge also. True, many in existence so far have fairly small footprints, but they're also short, compact layouts. Image a CP adoption that actually has a long, interesting layout! I wouldn't rule dive machine out just based on the land.

 

Then again, I'm going to laugh my A$$ off if CP is trying to beat Skyscraper to the punch and build the first 500 ft coaster before 2017 so they can keep their tradition alive. Of course, with how often TDD goes down for wind, and hell, even windseeker, I bet a 500+ foot coaster at CP would operate approximately 10% of the time!

 

If they made a 500+, I'd want it to be a lifted coaster and not an Intamin accelerator.

IF they made a 500+ft coaster I would like to see it have a high speed cable lift hill like i305. Maybe if the coaster was a cable lift hill it would not go down for wind as much as TTD?

 

Regardless of what kind of coaster is coming to Cedar Point, I am sure we can bet it is going to be awesome. When was the last time Cedar Point opened a large coaster that was a let down??

Edited June 21, 2015 by DoinItForTheFame

[blk_mamba]

The site is huge. Of course, Dive Machines are huge also. True, many in existence so far have fairly small footprints, but they're also short, compact layouts. Image a CP adoption that actually has a long, interesting layout! I wouldn't rule dive machine out just based on the land.

 

Then again, I'm going to laugh my A$$ off if CP is trying to beat Skyscraper to the punch and build the first 500 ft coaster before 2017 so they can keep their tradition alive. Of course, with how often TDD goes down for wind, and hell, even windseeker, I bet a 500+ foot coaster at CP would operate approximately 10% of the time!

 

I think that is what they are trying to do. What ever they are building is going to be big and a record breaker. Here is my case for the 500 ft tall coaster

 

1. The space is huge and they are prepping for it pretty openly. Why else would you need to start prep in 2015 for a ride being built in 2016. B&M put up Fury 325 in like 6 months. Granted Ohio weather is a little more finicky in the winter than North Carolina but still what ever they are building they want as much time as possible to build it.

2. The dive coaster story was probably leaked to throw people off. If it is a dive coaster I would not be disappointed but it will be pretty spread out which is rare for Cedar Point because they are pretty good with the use of land and their coasters tend to have narrow footprints. Moreover they run a pretty tight ship as far as rumors go.

3. The billboard chronicling all the great coasters and records they have broken over the years to me indicates they are about to do it again.

 

I agree I want it to be a lift hill coaster, it will the most intense drop in the world but when you think about it Kingda Ka is 456 feet so what is another 46 ft.

[ImNotOneOfYou]

The site is huge. Of course, Dive Machines are huge also. True, many in existence so far have fairly small footprints, but they're also short, compact layouts. Image a CP adoption that actually has a long, interesting layout! I wouldn't rule dive machine out just based on the land.

 

Then again, I'm going to laugh my A$$ off if CP is trying to beat Skyscraper to the punch and build the first 500 ft coaster before 2017 so they can keep their tradition alive. Of course, with how often TDD goes down for wind, and hell, even windseeker, I bet a 500+ foot coaster at CP would operate approximately 10% of the time!

 

If they made a 500+, I'd want it to be a lifted coaster and not an Intamin accelerator.

IF they made a 500+ft coaster I would like to see it have a high speed cable lift hill like i305. Maybe if the coaster was a cable lift hill it would not go down for wind as much as TTD?

 

Regardless of what kind of coaster is coming to Cedar Point, I am sure we can bet it is going to be awesome. When was the last time Cedar Point open a large coaster that was a let down??

 

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[CedarFlags]

Idk... considering CP's history of innovative / record breaking coasters, a Dive Machine just seems so... common.

[ZeroGravity55]

This whole 500 ft conversation is laughable.

[Superbatboy]

Idk... considering CP's history of innovative / record breaking coasters, a Dive Machine just seems so... common.

I agree.... after installing MF, TTD, and Maverick, a dive coaster seems so blah. They used to be so cutting edge with their coaster additions now it seems they have no interest in pushing the limits.

 

That being said, I'm sure the GP will eat Valravn 252 up, and I guess that's what CP is aiming to do. Not please us greedy enthusiasts lol

[DILinator]

I too, would prefer something other than a DIve Coaster, though obviously I wouldn't complain about the leaked specs version of one if that's what it is. My top choice would be a 200 foot wooden coaster like El Toro, or another wooden coaster with a great twisted layout and tons of airtime! I've also wanted, and still do want, a great custom layout B&M Flying Coaster, that has nice interactivity with its surroundings, and tops all of the iterations currently in existence. I think that would fit better back in Frontier Town, however, where there are still trees and water to interact with...

 

I'd love to see a 500 foot lift hill coaster someday! I just don't think that day is today, and question whether that park will be Cedar Point.

[FeelTheFORCE]

Idk... considering CP's history of innovative / record breaking coasters, a Dive Machine just seems so... common.

 

How so? There are only 9 Dive Machines in existence, and 2 in the US. That's pretty uncommon to me.

 

This whole 500 ft conversation is laughable.

 

I'm sure most people thought 400 feet was also back in 02/03...especially since MF was brand new. Never say never.

 

 

I love the idea of a massive Dive Machine for CP. They're fun and thrilling, and much more comfortable and re-rideable than a flying coaster. Sure, being a modern B&M it won't be the most forceful coaster in the world, and I'd love to see an I305 clone at CP as much as the next guy, but they're so massive and intimidating at 200ft...I can only imagine what a 250+ft one would look and feel like. As long as the layout isn't really simple, I think it would be a great addition for CP.

 

Keep in mind also, they are well aware that Mean Streak is what it is, and Cedar Point is in need of a modern wooden coaster. Tony has (jokingly) acknowledged that. I'd be willing to bet something will happen with that sooner rather than later...whether it's a conversion or whole new coaster altogether. Most people also forget that the Breakers renovation was in the ballpark of $50+ million. That's equal to adding MF and TTD in the same year. The fanboys just need to hold their pants on...everything isn't going to happen all at once.

[Philrad71]

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I agree. I would not be disappointed in a Dive Machine at all as I have thoroughly enjoyed my rides on Sheikra and Griffon during my recent visits to BGT and BGW. Even better is that my partner likes them as they are smooth and comfortable. Given that he is 72 now, he realizes that he cannot handle the rough wooden coasters or mega-looping rides anymore.

 

I think that if they were to build the tallest, fastest one in the world, that it would be a huge success given the fact that a lot of the GP from that demographic have probably never been on one before.

[Mossed]

Idk... considering CP's history of innovative / record breaking coasters, a Dive Machine just seems so... common.

I agree.... after installing MF, TTD, and Maverick, a dive coaster seems so blah. They used to be so cutting edge with their coaster additions now it seems they have no interest in pushing the limits.

 

That being said, I'm sure the GP will eat Valravn 252 up, and I guess that's what CP is aiming to do. Not please us greedy enthusiasts lol

 

252 now? Wasn't it 223 when it was first announced, and then everyone changed it to 232 for some reason, and now 252. This Dive Coaster keeps getting taller.

 

I would think that the tallest, longest, fastest dive coaster with the most inversions is pushing the limits to an extent, as was GateKeeper. Maybe not as cutting edge as Top Thrill Dragster or Millennium Force, but these are still record breakers in their field.

[JRice92]

Two more rides are up!

Raptor & Woodstock Express

[SFOGdude25]

So now we know that they'll put Rougarou last. Millennium Force and Wicked Twister should be next!

[DoinItForTheFame]

Do we know if there is actually anything going on on the other side of the wall?? Are they clearing land or anything yet, or have they just demolished, and moved things in the off season, and now the construction site is sitting idle?

[Woodie Warrior]

Do we know if there is actually anything going on on the other side of the wall?? Are they clearing land or anything yet, or have they just demolished, and moved things in the off season, and now the construction site is sitting idle?

From the top of Rougarou's lift hill 2 or so weeks ago, all I saw was a grass clearing and a bunch of seagulls. No noticeable construction work.

[tanthonyam]

I will be going Sep 1 and 2 (Tue and Wed) right before Labor Day weekend. How will crowds be at that time? I am assuming it wont be very busy. Are schools back in yet at that time?

[SbSteveZ]

Two more rides are up!

 

 

... am I the only one who finds it weird that they didn't use the actual Iron Dragon logo? Every other tile has their respective logo... Iron Dragon's looks like the graphics guy/gal tinkered with word art a little bit. Maybe its just my OCD talking but it's bugging me ever so slightly as well..

[JonnyRCT3]

I love the idea of a massive Dive Machine for CP. They're fun and thrilling, and much more comfortable and re-rideable than a flying coaster. Sure, being a modern B&M it won't be the most forceful coaster in the world, and I'd love to see an I305 clone at CP as much as the next guy, but they're so massive and intimidating at 200ft...I can only imagine what a 250+ft one would look and feel like. As long as the layout isn't really simple, I think it would be a great addition for CP.

 

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Keep in mind also, they are well aware that Mean Streak is what it is, and Cedar Point is in need of a modern wooden coaster. Tony has (jokingly) acknowledged that. I'd be willing to bet something will happen with that sooner rather than later...whether it's a conversion or whole new coaster altogether. Most people also forget that the Breakers renovation was in the ballpark of $50+ million. That's equal to adding MF and TTD in the same year. The fanboys just need to hold their pants on...everything isn't going to happen all at once.

If my memory serves me correctly, Cedar Fair sold some property that already covers the majority of the costs towards the Hotel Breaker's renovation. Cedar Point invested $48,000,000 in the year 2000, $25,000,000 was for Millennium Force respectively. These types of investments are common in companies with large cash flows.

[neil009]

The only claim to fame dive coasters ever had was the vertical drop. Vertical drops are now common elements on rides of all sizes, Cedar Point itself now has two coasters with vertical drops and one with a beyond-vertical drop. What's the point? Gatekeeper flips upsidedown 170 ft in the air before dropping. How would a plain old 90° drop improve on this? It would be like building SooperDooperLooper today and hyping up the fact that it has a vertical loop.

 

A dive coaster's train style means no whip in the back. It also means most likely yet another coaster with no airtime to speak of. I'm hoping B&M has come up with a new twist for this ride style, like they had for the inverted coaster with Banshee, or else B&M and Cedar Point are both going to look like they're seriously falling behind in terms of innovation.

[coasterbill]

The holding brake is what sets it apart... that's going to scare the living crap out of people and be a spectacle from the midway for anyone who's not a jaded enthusiast.

[Stu K]

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Go limp and as relaxed as you can on a Dive coaster no arms in air etc just as limp as you can the Airtime is intense.

 

Although if I had a choice in choosing a new coaster for that gap a looping Woodie with loop over the Marina gate.

 

Stu K

[chickenbowl]

The only claim to fame dive coasters ever had was the vertical drop. Vertical drops are now common elements on rides of all sizes, Cedar Point itself now has two coasters with vertical drops and one with a beyond-vertical drop. What's the point? Gatekeeper flips upsidedown 170 ft in the air before dropping. How would a plain old 90° drop improve on this? It would be like building SooperDooperLooper today and hyping up the fact that it has a vertical loop.

 

A dive coaster's train style means no whip in the back. It also means most likely yet another coaster with no airtime to speak of. I'm hoping B&M has come up with a new twist for this ride style, like they had for the inverted coaster with Banshee, or else B&M and Cedar Point are both going to look like they're seriously falling behind in terms of innovation.

 

SheiKra and Griffon had a LOT of airtime, I don't agree with your assessment of Dive Coasters here. I think those first drops are some of the best around!

[neil009]

Sorry, I meant no airtime after the first drop. Also I personally don't see why a holding brake makes that much difference...

 

Dive coasters also tend to have short layouts. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is due to the short, wide trains losing speed very quickly. This is a limitation of a ride engineered to do one thing and one thing only, make the most of a vertical drop. Which, like I said, CP already has. I don't think pointing that out makes me jaded, I'm only comparing the ride style to CP's own lineup, not some park 500 miles away.

Edited June 22, 2015 by neil009