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P. 639: Montezooma's Revenge major renovations announced!

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I rode Montezooma's Revenge back when it first opened. I've always liked these Schwarzkopf shuttles, and I'm curious to see what Knott's planned renovations are.

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On 1/2/2022 at 7:31 PM, Nrthwnd said:

Can I get a small house nearby, for my yearly visits to Knott's? And right beside that new coaster would be just fine.

 

This is the plan we need. All enthusiasts pool all the $ they have and buy as many houses near by to try and lobby that it will be ok to build lol 

Ha nah pooling all our $ can buy what 2 SoCal homes? XD :(

 

Very interesting news with MR. Wonder what the renovations will be for such a simple ride. Very glad they are keeping it though. We need to keep every classic Schwarzkopf there is! 

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41 minutes ago, JJLehto said:

This is the plan we need. All enthusiasts pool all the $ they have and buy as many houses near by to try and lobby that it will be ok to build lol 

Ha nah pooling all our $ can buy what 2 SoCal homes? XD :(

We would be the nearby neighbors that wouldn't complain about the noise!

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On 1/7/2022 at 7:31 PM, swfan1988 said:

Kinda wish they had given a little more heads up about it, as it will be closed for a year it sounds like, with only 3 days notice.

Let's not pretend that seeing Monty operational on any given day wasn't already a huge gamble.  Out of the past few years I think I've been lucky enough to actually get on the ride twice.

On 1/8/2022 at 2:48 PM, JJLehto said:

Ha nah pooling all our $ can buy what 2 SoCal homes?

Hold up a minute.  I'm all for a TPR Timeshare in SoCal and I'm pretty darn sure a bunch of you other maniacs are, as well.

 

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7 hours ago, KBrylczyk said:

 

Hold up a minute.  I'm all for a TPR Timeshare in SoCal and I'm pretty darn sure a bunch of you other maniacs are, as well.

 

I value the knowledge and tips/advice of the enthusiast community but I won't lie, I could never live with yall XD
 

Though hilariously I have been applying to jobs all over, including CA, so watch me end up living by KBF anyway. If so anyone is always free to crash on my couch and beer is absolutely acceptable payment. 

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Great, how is this park supposed to build a giga coaster if they can't even figure out when they are gonna close a ride for "refurbishment" (now) major renovations? Thanks a lot Cedar Fair...

Also, they randomly announced that they are adding a new Italian restaurant this summer...replacing Hollywood Hits...on some place called "Memory Lane" (Where's that? It says on the park map that Hollywood Hits is part of the boardwalk)...

So we got a reopened ride...a random pizza place...and a new area (maybe, I'm not sure? Is "Memory Lane" really a thing?)...all announced at once! I'm just saying...the PR guy must be drunk...or something else weird is going on here...maybe those giga plans were real after all...

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I love the look of the new eatery. That area of the park did need some TLC. And I am all about more easily accessible and higher capacity drink refill stations.

Glad they reopened Monte for the time being. I was a little surprised they gave such short notice initially. Who knows why they did that (aside from the downtime this weekend) but it's not a bad thing, get your "last" rides in everybody!

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I was able to hit the park today for a little bit. Got some good pictures of the new eatery/brewery. I think it looks great!! They must be tearing down this old building completely to put this up. 

In addition I was able to marathon Montezumas Revenge for one last time. Still a great ride!!! I hope the launch stays intense!!!

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Xcelerator down again? Hmm, interesting. Maybe the closure back in Nov-Dec was for repaint only and not regular maintenance? Or maybe (hopefully) they're painting over the ugly gray sections? Lol.

Also, throughout my entire lifetime of going to Knott's as far back as I can remember, I've never seen Supreme Scream down (obviously not 100% true but it has incredible uptime)! They always have it least *one* tower open. Supreme Scream and Silver Bullet are the ol' reliable for the park.

Also, the concept^ looks great! Excited for all these changes coming to the park.

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Why would  it take a year and a half to change over to LIMs and add new trains. That seems like a 90 day refurb at most. But they specifically used the word renovation. That leads me to believe they are doing something much more involved and Monty may have seen it's last days as a simple shuttle loop....I still think they should just turn Jaguar into an Intamin Blitz. Keep the station and theming. You can even use pretty much the same foot print for the most part.

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13 hours ago, firebird81 said:

Why would  it take a year and a half to change over to LIMs and add new trains. That seems like a 90 day refurb at most. But they specifically used the word renovation. That leads me to believe they are doing something much more involved and Monty may have seen it's last days as a simple shuttle loop....I still think they should just turn Jaguar into an Intamin Blitz. Keep the station and theming. You can even use pretty much the same foot print for the most part.

Or maybe the new giga will actually be Monte raised 300 ft. in the air. 

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14 hours ago, firebird81 said:

Why would  it take a year and a half to change over to LIMs and add new trains. That seems like a 90 day refurb at most. But they specifically used the word renovation. That leads me to believe they are doing something much more involved and Monty may have seen it's last days as a simple shuttle loop....I still think they should just turn Jaguar into an Intamin Blitz. Keep the station and theming. You can even use pretty much the same foot print for the most part.

I think Zoom is going to get more done to it then just a new launch and trains. Other shuttle loops needed track work done to them and they didnt have the cycles on them zoom has. 

any work at Knotts take time so no its not as you say 90 day refeb.... Zoom interacts with a lot of other rides that would need to get shut down for some of the work and you cant move/get construction stuff around if the park is open so a lot of the work is going to be done when the park isnt open.   

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On 1/11/2022 at 7:38 PM, firebird81 said:

Why would  it take a year and a half to change over to LIMs and add new trains. That seems like a 90 day refurb at most. But they specifically used the word renovation. That leads me to believe they are doing something much more involved and Monty may have seen it's last days as a simple shuttle loop....I still think they should just turn Jaguar into an Intamin Blitz. Keep the station and theming. You can even use pretty much the same foot print for the most part.

I don’t think you have any idea how complex converting the ride to a different launch system really would be. 6 months would be considered a fast turnaround…

you need a new train, new electrical system, new control system, structural modifications, training the crew again, getting state certification…

 

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1 hour ago, Jew said:

I don’t think you have any idea how complex converting the ride to a different launch system really would be. 6 months would be considered a fast turnaround…

you need a new train, new electrical system, new control system, structural modifications, training the crew again, getting state certification…

 

You're right, I don't, which is why I asked. But they build entire coasters in that amount of time. They're not building a train onsite, so that wouldn't require shutting it down. I mean, Xcelerator was announced in December of 2001 and opened at the end of June in 2002....7 months later. Why would it take twice as long to just upgrade a shuttle coaster?

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14 minutes ago, firebird81 said:

Why would it take twice as long to just upgrade a shuttle coaster?

Just spitballin' here, but so many reasons, man.  So many.  One major thing might be the pandemic taking an extraordinary bite out of expected income. They might be spreading the project out so they don't have to worry about schedule conflicts, there's more than likely massive shipping delays for literally everything, labor issues with third-party companies, yadda yadda yadda. 

Xcelerator was built in a time where amusement parks were exploding in popularity and in constant competition with each other for a "World's First" title, of course they're gonna get it built as quickly as possible before anyone else can steal their thunder.  Giving a 44-year-old shuttle coaster a refurb isn't nearly on that level of giving a shit.

Basically, they're gonna do what they feel is the most financially-beneficial route for the park to succeed. If that means I can't go "whee" on a ride I've been on a thousand times already, well, I feel like that's not the end of the world.

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2 hours ago, KBrylczyk said:

Just spitballin' here, but so many reasons, man.  So many.  One major thing might be the pandemic taking an extraordinary bite out of expected income. They might be spreading the project out so they don't have to worry about schedule conflicts, there's more than likely massive shipping delays for literally everything, labor issues with third-party companies, yadda yadda yadda. 

Xcelerator was built in a time where amusement parks were exploding in popularity and in constant competition with each other for a "World's First" title, of course they're gonna get it built as quickly as possible before anyone else can steal their thunder.  Giving a 44-year-old shuttle coaster a refurb isn't nearly on that level of giving a shit.

Basically, they're gonna do what they feel is the most financially-beneficial route for the park to succeed. If that means I can't go "whee" on a ride I've been on a thousand times already, well, I feel like that's not the end of the world.

After I posted, I started thinking the same thing. It took forever to get that part for Hang Time last year. 

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Same reason it takes a lot longer to refurbish a classic car instead of just building a brand new car at a factory. When you’re (presumably) keeping many of the original components extra care needs to be taken. 

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