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^^They recently had it pointed at Carolina Harbor for a couple days, but was likely due to Flying Cobras having valleyed. That was more so tilting up and zooming in, not turning the cam left or right however.

 

On to the real issue: Do I count it as a new credit if they do convert when I go next year? LOL

(obviously most wouldn't...I probably wouldn't either)

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On to the real issue: Do I count it as a new credit if they do convert when I go next year? LOL

(obviously most wouldn't...I probably wouldn't either)

 

You do you! lol, I counted Rougarou as a new credit tbh. Who cares how you count your own credits?

 

I'm still in the camp of move it to MiA, converting it along the way. Replace it with a bigger, better, 3 train capacity monster floorless/wing or something from Mack like Helix or Blue Fire.

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I know the whole "what counts as a credit" debate is purely subjective, and ultimately pointless, but within the construct of such a debate... I cannot understand how somebody wouldn't count Rougarou as a new credit??? It's an entirely different ride experience! Believe me... As somebody who rode Mantis A TON, and now has ridden Rougarou quite a bit, THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE to actually experience as a ride! Yes, their track is exactly the same, but the way you experience the coaster, is ENTIRELY different! One ride sucked, terribly, and the other, is actually pretty decent, mostly. That definitely constitutes a change in ride experience in my book, and therefore, a new credit.

 

Compare that to Dominator at Kings Dominion... I rode it at Geagua Lake, so when I go to KD next year and ride it, I won't count it again, because it's the same exact ride, just moved. Also, I wouldn't count the newly re-tracked Incredible Hulk coaster at IOA, because even though it's all new track, if the entire ride experience is identical to what it was before, it's still the exact same ride experience. Similar to that reasoning, I wouldn't count a wooden coaster as being a new credit, every time it's re-tracked, such as The Legend at Holiday World, or Shivering Timbers at MiA. Now, you may ask about whether I count clones separately, as they are the same "ride experience", and yes, I do. Because they are literally separate coasters. However, FWIW, I often don't even bother riding clones (or kiddie coasters), because I'm not a credit whore! Again, it's all subjective, and you can count credits however you want. But this is my perspective on it...

 

To keep this rant on topic, Vortex sucks, horribly, worse than Mantis ever could have dreamed of being! Changing it to a Floorless, would be a fabulous improvement, and seems like a sure-fire move CF will make in the near future, likely as early as next season. And yes, I will then count it as a new credit, as it will definitely be a new ride experience, and almost certainly be a much better one!

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I know the whole "what counts as a credit" debate is purely subjective, and ultimately pointless, but within the construct of such a debate... I cannot understand how somebody wouldn't count Rougarou as a new credit??? It's an entirely different ride experience! Believe me... As somebody who rode Mantis A TON, and now has ridden Rougarou quite a bit, THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE to actually experience as a ride! [emoji38] Yes, their track is exactly the same, but the way you experience the coaster, is ENTIRELY different! One ride sucked, terribly, and the other, is actually pretty decent, mostly. That definitely constitutes a change in ride experience in my book, and therefore, a new credit.

 

Compare that to Dominator at Kings Dominion... I rode it at Geagua Lake, so when I go to KD next year and ride it, I won't count it again, because it's the same exact ride, just moved. Also, I wouldn't count the newly re-tracked Incredible Hulk coaster at IOA, because even though it's all new track, if the entire ride experience is identical to what it was before, it's still the exact same ride experience. Similar to that reasoning, I wouldn't count a wooden coaster as being a new credit, every time it's re-tracked, such as The Legend at Holiday World, or Shivering Timbers at MiA. Now, you may ask about whether I count clones separately, as they are the same "ride experience", and yes, I do. Because they are literally separate coasters. However, FWIW, I often don't even bother riding clones (or kiddie coasters), because I'm not a credit whore! [emoji14] Again, it's all subjective, and you can count credits however you want. But this is my perspective on it...

 

To keep this rant on topic, Vortex sucks, horribly, worse than Mantis ever could have dreamed of being! Changing it to a Floorless, would be a fabulous improvement, and seems like a sure-fire move CF will make in the near future, likely as early as next season. And yes, I will then count it as a new credit, as it will definitely be a new ride experience, and almost certainly be a much better one!

By logic of counting clones, isn't new Hulk just a clone of old Hulk? If new Hulk was built in a different park, would you have counted it?

 

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By logic of counting clones, isn't new Hulk just a clone of old Hulk? If new Hulk was built in a different park, would you have counted it?

 

That's a fair question! But it wasn't. So it's irrelevant!

 

Again, I don't care if anybody else counts it as a new coaster, but I could never justify counting it as such for myself, personally.

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Incredible Hulk is the equivalent of a retrack. GhostRider and Legend aren't new credits so why would Hulk be a new credit?

 

As for me, I have a coaster-count.com account so whatever it calls I credit, I just agree with. It's not worth the fuss for me to worry about. I enjoy keeping track, but not to the extent that I need to justify a credit. Just ride and enjoy.

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Incredible Hulk is the equivalent of a retrack. GhostRider and Legend aren't new credits so why would Hulk be a new credit?

 

As for me, I have a coaster-count.com account so whatever it calls I credit, I just agree with. It's not worth the fuss for me to worry about. I enjoy keeping track, but not to the extent that I need to justify a credit. Just ride and enjoy.

I don't count credits at all. I just was interested in the response to that question, as a complete re-track is essentially a clone of itself.

 

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Incredible Hulk is the equivalent of a retrack. GhostRider and Legend aren't new credits so why would Hulk be a new credit?

 

Because, (and I hate getting into this debate) when a wooden coaster is retracked, a few layers of wood are stripped away and fresh lumber is placed where it was. Some sections may be reprofiled and new trains may be added. When Hulk was "retracked," B&M had to reforge the entire track and trains while the old materials are gathering rust in a landfill.

Personally, I'll count New Hulk as a separate credit, RMC I-Boxes as new credits, but retracking/reprofiling/retraining is the same credit.

 

But can we please get back to the Fury worship now?

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But can we please get back to the Fury worship now?

 

At the park for my first time today and I have to say, Fury is amazing. I love everything about it and it might be my new favorite ride. We've been on it 16 times so far today. Afterburn is also awesome (aside from the fact that it just broke down so we're sitting outside the queue at the moment). One of the best inverts I've been on.

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it could be the most forceless layout ever
It definitely isn't.

 

Fury has the comfy trains like Nitro and a couple B&M-y moves with their typical grace, but Fury (particularly at night) feels like zipping around in a fighter plane.

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I'm visiting the park next weekend and looking for some good food spots. We should be arriving around dinner time on Saturday so we're looking for some ideas. A good BBQ and craft beer spot would be ideal.

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But can we please get back to the Fury worship now?

 

At the park for my first time today and I have to say, Fury is amazing. I love everything about it and it might be my new favorite ride. We've been on it 16 times so far today. Afterburn is also awesome (aside from the fact that it just broke down so we're sitting outside the queue at the moment). One of the best inverts I've been on.

 

16 times a couple hours into the day? I'm jealous. Only got on Fury 4-5 times in the 2 days I was at the park.

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^ We were there for early entry and got 7 rides (all but one in the same train and never had to leave the station) between 9:30 and 10. Then all day it didn't have more than a 15 minute wait. We ended up riding it 23 times throughout the day.

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I know if it ever happens, it's a while out.. But with KD's getting RMC Hurler, if they ever do the Carowinds version, do you think they will just copy the KD's version, or go with another custom layout?? I know RMC hasn't reprofiled any rides that were duplicate rides as of yet.

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I would suspect that: a) They will RMC it eventually, probably their next coaster "addition" after they turn Vortex Floorless, and b) it may be similar, but I don't think it will be an exact copy, but will be a unique design specific for Carowinds.

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Hey there! I'm hitting Carowids up for the first time this Monday, I come in peace from californias great America

 

Question: weather forecast says there will be thunderstorms, what is the park policy for this? We plan on doing the whole day as it's the only day we are able to go. Does the park close and reopen when a weather event like that happens?

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Hey there! I'm hitting Carowids up for the first time this Monday, I come in peace from californias great America

 

Question: weather forecast says there will be thunderstorms, what is the park policy for this? We plan on doing the whole day as it's the only day we are able to go. Does the park close and reopen when a weather event like that happens?

The thunderstorms generally pop up in the afternoon/early evenings and usually are just passing. I looked and it says scattered PM thunderstorms, so sounds about right. Most rides will shut down with lightning in the area (within 5 miles?) and reopen when it passes. Some will close down for high winds (like Windseeker, Fury 325 & Skytower). Most will run in the rain.

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Spent today at the park and really enjoyed it. Had the feel of a Paramount / Kings park which is a good thing to me. It wasn't very crowded so lines were short. We were able to make 2 laps around the park hitting most coasters at least once. Fury was never more than a 10 minute wait so we got 5 rides on that one. Really fun coaster.

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