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So it's a dive machine, and because of that the layout was always going to be lame, and it is, but that said, I originally stated what could save it is some cool weird lateral force like on Thunderbird, and the element after the dive loop looks like it could at least potentially deliver on that. And hopefully the airtime hill is of the actual airtime-producing variety and not the total waste-of-track, space, time, and money variety like on some other *ahem* recent B&M installations that shall remain nameless. If so, this could easily be the best dive machine so far.

 

Of course, it's still a dive machine. I'm trying to look at this from twelve-year-old me's perspective, assuming I'm a Cedar Point native, have no enthusiast knowledge, and have just come off the elation of riding Gatekeeper for the first time only a few years ago. I know a lot of people on here would go, "Hey, to the GP this is just the next amazing CP coaster, they'll eat it right up", but ehhhh, sorry, 12-year-old me is still not convinced. See, when Gatekeeper opened, that wingover drop straight-up blew my mind. Seriously, it was the most intense, fear-inducing first drop I could even imagine. So now it's the next episode, the new ride is coming, and I'm looking for something that's going to top the last coaster. I'm looking for something that's going to be at least different, if not better. But I'm having trouble. The trains, well, they're real wide, they don't look that different. Most of the ride doesn't look that different from Gatekeeper. The main difference is that drop. 12-year-old me thinks it looks cool... it really does... but... not as cool as Gatekeeper's. I'm trying to be excited, but it's feeling a little forced.

 

Now I'm sure 12-year-old me would ride it, come off stoked as hell, and declare it the best ride in the park. But the point stands. At least they could maximize that initial visual of staring down the first drop the way Alton Towers did, by putting something at the bottom, or maybe some structures alongside it to give you more perspective on how high up you are, but you know darn well you won't be looking at anything besides the pullout, rocks, concrete, and perhaps a neatly manicured lawn.

 

And by the way, has the CP ride naming committee lost its f*cking mind? This isn't Busch Gardens, we're not looking for bizarre vaguely-ethnic names you can't pronounce. We're looking for short snappy names that quickly evoke some semblance of a theme, and that's it. Maverick. Now there's a name. C'mon guys, get it together.

 

I'm really curious where we go from here. Next CP will probably get a flying coaster, right? Because that's the only B&M product they don't have? And it will probably be the tallest one, and maybe with a pretzel loop even crazier than Tatsu's. That could be pretty good. But then what? I guess by that time B&M will have come up with yet another train style. Or maybe the pendulum will finally have swung back over to something more interesting like Intamin or RMC. Or Zamperla. Seriously, anything but B&freakinM.

 

 

EDIT: I looked at the Cedar Point timeline and was reminded we went a whole six years between Maverick and Gatekeeper. While I can't know the reasoning behind it, I'd say this new installation is a mistake. I'd much rather they have spent another couple years on other improvements and additions to make the Point a more complete experience, with emphasis on more than just coasters. Instead we get this very uninspired addition so close to their last coaster which, like I pointed out, isn't even that different. I'd rather they spent time working on something that would really knock your socks off. This whole addition just feels so oddly timed and so rote, when parks like Dorney go completely neglected.

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I almost feel guilty interrupting the current topic, but...

 

I will be making my first trip back to CP in 15 years, and will be bringing my 10YO along for his very first CP visit. We will be staying on the property, and will hit everything we can over both Monday and Tuesday at the park.

 

I know a lot has changed since 2000, so are there any tips/suggestions from the CP veterans in house? Must ride? Must skip? Must eat?

 

Schools are going back in session here in Missouri, but I have no idea what the schedule is for Sandusky, and the surrounding communities. Should we go into both days expecting a typical, super busy Summer crowd?

 

Any advice is greatly appreciated, so I thank you in advance.

 

Here's to a safe 8+ hour drive tomorrow from St. Louis.

 

First off, I think you guys will have a blast! I took my 11 year old son to CP earlier this year, and he rode everything except TTD! He loved the park!

 

With two days, regardless of crowds, you should be able to ride everything. I recommend riding most of the coasters, and definitely maXair, and SkyHawk, among the flat rides! As for must-skip rides? I don't think there are any, with the possible exception of Corkscrew. It is pretty rough these days, and doesn't offer much that you probably haven't already ridden somewhere else. However, if you have time, and the line is short, I could see doing it anyway! I'd enter at the main gates the first day, just for the spectacular view with GateKeeper there now, but then head to the back of the park and hit Maverick! It's arguably the best ride in the park, but also is a good "starter" ride for your young son, to get him warmed up. Also, since you haven't ridden it, it'll be new to you. And thirdly, it'll have the shortest line of the day at entry as well. (If you're staying on-site at the Breakers, however, you'll enter from there anyway, and be close to Maverick, so you'll just want to head there, and catch the main gate view later in the day.) You may want to give TTD a try (if your son is willing) second, just because the line gets long, and the threat of a break-down is always there. Better to get your ride on it early, while it's still running (hopefully.) MF is a must-ride (obviously), but it always has a longer line. You may want to wait until the end of your first day to ride it, as hopefully the early-leavers from the crowd will be gone, and the line should be shorter. Plus, it'll be dark at that point, and night rides on MF are crazy good! Raptor's line is the lowest in the late afternoon, and I suspect, GateKeeper's will be lower then as well. Definitely make sure to get rides on both sides of that, as they offer different experiences, and also in the front and back on each side too!

 

Must eat? At CP? Unless you don't have Chick-fil-A in Missouri, there is no such thing at CP! Midway Market is decent food, but pricey. And it's nothing mind-blowing quality-wise. Famous Dave's is a chain, but it's also really good BBQ, and would qualify as better than anything in the park (it's located at the marina.) I've never been to the Bay Harbor Inn (also at the Marina), but it's supposed to be "upscale" dining, so I have to assume it's pretty good.

 

I highly doubt schools will be back in session in Sandusky, as I know there aren't any back in session here, except for the ones with that funky year round schedule.

 

Have a safe trip up, and a great time! Be sure to let us know how it went afterward!

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I almost feel guilty interrupting the current topic, but...

 

I will be making my first trip back to CP in 15 years, and will be bringing my 10YO along for his very first CP visit. We will be staying on the property, and will hit everything we can over both Monday and Tuesday at the park.

 

I know a lot has changed since 2000, so are there any tips/suggestions from the CP veterans in house? Must ride? Must skip? Must eat?

 

Schools are going back in session here in Missouri, but I have no idea what the schedule is for Sandusky, and the surrounding communities. Should we go into both days expecting a typical, super busy Summer crowd?

 

Any advice is greatly appreciated, so I thank you in advance.

 

Here's to a safe 8+ hour drive tomorrow from St. Louis.

 

In my opinion must rides are:

Millennium Force, TTD, Maverick, Raptor, Magnum, Rougaru, Gatekeeper (left side) in that order. I've never been a huge fan of flats, but Skyhawk is probably the best along with MaxAir. Personally I would avoid Mean Streak and probably Wind Seeker as its always down. All of the restaurants are about what you'd expect, nothing really ever had stood out to me in that respect. Personally my favorites are Chickie's & Pete's, and Famous Daves (located in the Marina). I've really had a good experience at Johnny Rockets, always seems a little overpriced (like 12$ for a small burger), at least compared to anything else. All the big chain restaurants in the park are usually well run, but that's probably not what you're looking for.

 

It's usually pretty busy on Sunday, and especially Saturdays. Fast Pass is available, so if your really looking to get a lot of rides in, its a decent investment for someone who only visits every decade or so. I would only go for the Fast Pass Plus, which gives you fast pass on TTD, Millennium, Maverick, Raptor and Gatekeeper I think. usually the queues are somewhat short for fast pass, but it all depends on the day and the ride ops.

 

Hope that helps a little, and good luck on your trip.

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DILinator... G Force... Thank you so much for your responses. We are staying at Breakers, so the advice on early entry is fantastic.

 

I know I was asking for help late in the game, but I've been putting in for OT at work on every weekend this year to not only pay for our crazy vacations this Summer, but *shudder* school tuition for the kid. Just got off work at 11p, and realized I hadn't asked for any tips in regards to CP until 6 hours before we plan on heading out the door, so you have no idea how grateful I am to you both for such detailed info on such very short notice.

 

Thank you.

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So it's a dive machine, and because of that the layout was always going to be lame, and it is, but that said, I originally stated what could save it is some cool weird lateral force like on Thunderbird, and the element after the dive loop looks like it could at least potentially deliver on that. And hopefully the airtime hill is of the actual airtime-producing variety and not the total waste-of-track, space, time, and money variety like on some other *ahem* recent B&M installations that shall remain nameless. If so, this could easily be the best dive machine so far.

 

Of course, it's still a dive machine. I'm trying to look at this from twelve-year-old me's perspective, assuming I'm a Cedar Point native, have no enthusiast knowledge, and have just come off the elation of riding Gatekeeper for the first time only a few years ago. I know a lot of people on here would go, "Hey, to the GP this is just the next amazing CP coaster, they'll eat it right up", but ehhhh, sorry, 12-year-old me is still not convinced. See, when Gatekeeper opened, that wingover drop straight-up blew my mind. Seriously, it was the most intense, fear-inducing first drop I could even imagine. So now it's the next episode, the new ride is coming, and I'm looking for something that's going to top the last coaster. I'm looking for something that's going to be at least different, if not better. But I'm having trouble. The trains, well, they're real wide, they don't look that different. Most of the ride doesn't look that different from Gatekeeper. The main difference is that drop. 12-year-old me thinks it looks cool... it really does... but... not as cool as Gatekeeper's. I'm trying to be excited, but it's feeling a little forced.

 

Now I'm sure 12-year-old me would ride it, come off stoked as hell, and declare it the best ride in the park. But the point stands. At least they could maximize that initial visual of staring down the first drop the way Alton Towers did, by putting something at the bottom, or maybe some structures alongside it to give you more perspective on how high up you are, but you know darn well you won't be looking at anything besides the pullout, rocks, concrete, and perhaps a neatly manicured lawn.

 

And by the way, has the CP ride naming committee lost its f*cking mind? This isn't Busch Gardens, we're not looking for bizarre vaguely-ethnic names you can't pronounce. We're looking for short snappy names that quickly evoke some semblance of a theme, and that's it. Maverick. Now there's a name. C'mon guys, get it together.

 

I'm really curious where we go from here. Next CP will probably get a flying coaster, right? Because that's the only B&M product they don't have? And it will probably be the tallest one, and maybe with a pretzel loop even crazier than Tatsu's. That could be pretty good. But then what? I guess by that time B&M will have come up with yet another train style. Or maybe the pendulum will finally have swung back over to something more interesting like Intamin or RMC. Or Zamperla. Seriously, anything but B&freakinM.

 

 

EDIT: I looked at the Cedar Point timeline and was reminded we went a whole six years between Maverick and Gatekeeper. While I can't know the reasoning behind it, I'd say this new installation is a mistake. I'd much rather they have spent another couple years on other improvements and additions to make the Point a more complete experience, with emphasis on more than just coasters. Instead we get this very uninspired addition so close to their last coaster which, like I pointed out, isn't even that different. I'd rather they spent time working on something that would really knock your socks off. This whole addition just feels so oddly timed and so rote, when parks like Dorney go completely neglected.

 

Seriously. If I read:

12-year-old me

one more time... I'm going to fu*king scream.

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^^I appreciate your carefully considered response. As a side note, I find it interesting where people choose to use the asterisk when censoring the word "fucking". "F*cking", "fu*king", I wonder what determines that. "Fuc*ing" just looks weird, as does "*ucking". "Fuck*ng" just doesn't have any point to it.

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^^I appreciate your carefully considered response. As a side note, I find it interesting where people choose to use the asterisk when writing "fucking". "F*cking", "fu*king", I wonder what determines that. "Fuc*ing" just looks weird, as does "*ucking". "Fuck*ng" just doesn't have any point to it.

 

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Well, I showed my 11 year old son (who will be 12 by the time Valravn opens next year) the logo and layout for the coaster earlier, and he seemed pretty excited about it, and he rode GateKeeper earlier this year! Different strokes for different folks, I guess...

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With two days, regardless of crowds, you should be able to ride everything. I recommend riding most of the coasters, and definitely maXair, and SkyHawk, among the flat rides! As for must-skip rides? I don't think there are any, with the possible exception of Corkscrew. It is pretty rough these days, and doesn't offer much that you probably haven't already ridden somewhere else. However, if you have time, and the line is short, I could see doing it anyway! I'd enter at the main gates the first day, just for the spectacular view with GateKeeper there now, but then head to the back of the park and hit Maverick! It's arguably the best ride in the park, but also is a good "starter" ride for your young son, to get him warmed up. Also, since you haven't ridden it, it'll be new to you. And thirdly, it'll have the shortest line of the day at entry as well. (If you're staying on-site at the Breakers, however, you'll enter from there anyway, and be close to Maverick, so you'll just want to head there, and catch the main gate view later in the day.) You may want to give TTD a try (if your son is willing) second, just because the line gets long, and the threat of a break-down is always there.

 

There really aren't any coasters to skip. Younger kids seem to love Corkscrew so don't skip that... Gemeni is a great coaster to re-ride as it rarely has a line and one fun thing to do is to line up right across from your son and both sit on the platform side of the station so you can slap hands on the turns. We loved doing that when we were kids... actually we still love doing that. By the way, Gemeni doesn't always race first thing in the morning so wait until later in the day and it probably will be.

 

Also, here's a fun fact about Raptor. It's actually an outstanding Early Entry ride. I agree that on your first day you should enter the main gate for the experience, and then go right to Raptor and knock it out in 5 minutes (sit in the front). After that head back to Millennium or Maverick. Regarding Dragster, it's NOT open for Early Entry so plan accordingly.

 

That's all I have on the coaster besides the standard tricks (FRONT SEAT of Mean Streak, Learn Forward and keep your seat off the seat back, middle row of any car on Blue Streak and tighten the living crap out of the seatbelt on Magnum for the most comfortable rides on these, front seat of Raptor because it only costs you an extra 5 minutes and it's great and front seat of Dragster because it's flat out mind-blowing even though it costs you an extra hour).

 

As far as non coasters, don't miss Windseeker, Maxair, Cedar Downs or Skyhawk. And also, it's a huge park and 2 days can be exhausting so pace yourself and ride the train and Sky Ride as much as possible. The Sky Ride chews through it's line in no time, and the train has great capacity too. Ride the train from the station near Mean Streak as it's a much cooler ride with some fun theming.

 

As far as food, I LOVE Famous Daves in the Marina (sit outside, you'll be in the shade and right on the water). It might be a tough sell with a kid who's eager to get back on the rides though as it's a sit down-relaxed (but very casual) meal. This might be a good option for Day 2.

 

It sounds like you'll have a blast! Enjoy.

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Just a quick thought... With the lift being over 200 feet tall, and there being a possibility of a sligltly longer drop (if there is any kind of tunnel or ditch) - could that that possibly mean that first Immelmann could be taller than 170 feet? That would be around a 50' difference in height if the statistics are correct. Then they could claim it as being th tallest freestanding inversion on the planet. Another record they could push for this ride. I'm not sure how possible that may be. Or if it would create some fun hang time or become a bore with an unnecessary raised potential to valley... But nonetheless CP does enjoy breaking records!

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Thanks for the overhead map placing the potential layout in context. If that indeed is the layout, it's an odd choice to put the drop in that location -- I would think they would want to place the actual drop somewhere near the midway walkway because it is always a great spot where people want to stop and watch the car hang, and then drop -- consider where the drops are placed on Griffon and Sheikra. Be interesting to see where everything is located.

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I am going next thursday night/ friday/ part of saturday. We have platinum passes and are staying on site. I am wondering if flashpass is a good idea for the friday? Somewhere i read a tr saying that even flashpass lines were an hour long at some point. Kinda defeats the purpose. don't they limit number of fp's sold?

 

We are probably leaving before they make their announcement. Oh well i can find out later i guess. Do you get anything special for being there or just get to watch?

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It appears someone has already made a recreation.

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I personally think that this looks pretty sweet myself. Someone had mentioned that any park making an upcoming announcement after Dollywood's is going to be somewhat tame in comparison...and that seems like it very well hold true.

 

But when you look at the big picture and realize that this will be the biggest dive machine in the world along with the fact that both US dive machines are really, REALLY fun rides (and crowd eaters), I cannot see much in the way of disappointment.

 

Cedar Point will have one of, if not THE largest variety of coasters in the world...and people act like this is a bad thing?

 

There were folks complaining about Fast Lane Plus lines several pages back...don't you think that the addition of this coaster will help dissipate some of the heavy lines at the other popular coasters just a little bit?

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^ It definitely gives off that vibe of being to the West side of the peninsula, what GateKeeper is to the East, and Main Gate! It will be crazy photogenic when you're driving up to The Point on the causeway!

 

Gatekeeper 2.0?!

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