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How's Gatekeeper fare with the GP?

 

Virtually everyone outside of the enthusiast community loves it and it's an absolute home run. The last 2 years it's had the highest ridership numbers in the park.

 

Personally I like the ride quite a bit, it's not forceful at all but it's fun and I think enthusiasts are way too hard on it. Again... just my opinion though, your mileage may vary.

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I am personally very pleased overall and excited to ride this next year, if these images prove to be legitimate. Griffon is in my Top 10 so I'm sure this will be great. Dive machine drops have a unique feeling to me, and that moment of anticipation in the holding brakes is so effective !

 

Mostly I'm excited to see a zero-g roll, after seeing one out on Baron I was hoping Cedar Point's not so secret project would sport one, wish granted!

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At first I thought the climbing turn into the MCBR was also a roll and it exited the roll into the brakes and got stoked, but then I realized it wasn't and I was kinda let down because I thought that would have been really interesting to see done. Wish they would have because then it would have had the 4 inversions as claimed by that news site.

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Not impressed. No worries. Dollywood gets my money next year yay

Anyone who has ever seen one of your posts knows you're impossible to please unless its an Intamin or RMC. You add nothing to discussions and all you do is bash other coasters for not being I305.

 

Personally, the layout looks great. That zero g roll + helix looks really fun. I hope I can ride next year!

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I think it looks fine and it will be a really fun rollercoaster with a great visual right in the location. I really like Griffon and Sheikra, and this looks even better. Sure, I wish it was a bit more inventive, and it's hard to be super-stoked when you just saw something like Lightning Rod.

 

This has to be embarrassing for Cedar Point to, once again, have its announcement apparently hacked a week ahead of time!

 

Finally, Gatekeeper is WOEFULLY over-criticized in my view. That first drop with the turn at the top and the upside plunge is unbelievably great in my view -- why don't more people find that drop super intense? I certainly do. And then the soar up into the inversion with some hang time, followed by the floater hill (for the front seat). I think it's a very fun, very solid ride -- and with a stunning location and cool, meandering layout. I don't get the disdain for it (and the public certainly doesn't agree).

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How's Gatekeeper fare with the GP?

 

Virtually everyone outside of the enthusiast community loves it and it's an absolute home run. The last 2 years it's had the highest ridership numbers in the park.

 

Personally I like the ride quite a bit, it's not forceful at all but it's fun and I think enthusiasts are way too hard on it. Again... just my opinion though, your mileage may vary.

 

I totally agree with this. I think most people were expecting a forceful, breakneck fast ride, but that wasn't the point of this. I thought it was a very comfortable and fun ride.

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As I posted a while back, I'm willing to bet a large majority of people complaining about the dive coaster have never ridden Sheikra or Griffon. I rode Sheikra last year and thought it was really fun.

 

Agreed, as was Griffon.

There is NOTHING forceless about those plunges down the two vertical (or near vertical) drops.

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Assuming this leak is true, it looks like a fun, solid ride that will offer the capacity and wide age appeal of Cedar Point. Essentially, it's GateKeeper 2.0. I feel like doing something significant to Mean Streak was higher on the priority list than another B&M, but the layout looks fun, and hopefully it lives up to the hype of Griffon and SheiKra.

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Gatekeeper is WOEFULLY over-criticized in my view. That first drop with the turn at the top and the upside plunge is unbelievably great in my view -- why don't more people find that drop super intense?

I think the problem most people have with Gatekeeper isn't the first drop or even up until the first keyhole, it's just that once it goes over the entrance to the park, the ride might as well be over. I can't think of many more coasters that have such a decent beginning into one of the most boring and useless 2nd halves of a layout ever.

 

And the first drop is very good. I'm not sure I would call it "super intense" but it is very good.

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As I posted a while back, I'm willing to bet a large majority of people complaining about the dive coaster have never ridden Sheikra or Griffon. I rode Sheikra last year and thought it was really fun.

 

I have been saying this for months now. SheiKra and Griffon are both fun, enjoyable, very re-rideable coasters. If someone is complaining about the Dive Coasters they have obviously NEVER been on a dive coaster. They are complaining just to complain... because they heard others complain, and they think they should complain too.

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The third inversion on this potential coaster is probably worth the whole ride, and I doubt the rest of it will suck. Also, I'm a sucker for airtime hills.

 

I hope B&M comes up with a cool name for the third inversion, and not just "zero g roll with turn exit" or some such. Something like "wrap around dive roll" or... well that's about what I've got for a name, but it looks like a really cool element for any coaster, but on a DM, I bet there's some crazy forces that will be happening on the end seats (especially if they go 10 across on this)

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How's Gatekeeper fare with the GP? I've not ridden it yet but I've heard it's pretty bland.

 

By the same token, Valravn looks like it'll be the same thing. Big and pretty but mostly a bore. Dammit, B&M, did your balls drop off in 2004?

 

I recently rode Gatekeeper for the first time, and I really enjoyed it. I don't know why anyone calls Gatekeeper "boring" or "forceless." Gatekeeper was a lot of fun. It is by no means one of the best coaster in the world. But it did make my top 20 list.

 

I feel like those who complain about Gatekeeper, and dive machines have seriously never been on them. Because anyone who has been on them know that they are good rides.

 

Also, when we were there the GP seemed to LOVE Gatekeeper. Everyone I over heard talking about it wanted to ride it again. They just didn't want to wait in the line.

 

I've been on Gatekeeper and Sheikra and Griffon. I really like the dive machines. Gatekeeper is a snoozefest, imo.

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I've been riding Sheikra all summer and it seriously is an amazing ride. You get some great views, great floater in the back, and it's overall a very fun (albeit short) ride. The GP love it too!

 

The first half looks like Sheikra but taller and faster, and then we have more goodies tacked on at the end. So judging from what I see, this will probably be better than Sheikra and Sheikra is already a great ride, so this one should be as well.

 

And I definitely think it will be unique, and most people in the area probably haven't ridden a Dive Machine.

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Gatekeeper is WOEFULLY over-criticized in my view. That first drop with the turn at the top and the upside plunge is unbelievably great in my view -- why don't more people find that drop super intense?

I think the problem most people have with Gatekeeper isn't the first drop or even up until the first keyhole, it's just that once it goes over the entrance to the park, the ride might as well be over. I can't think of many more coasters that have such a decent beginning into one of the most boring and useless 2nd halves of a layout ever.

 

And the first drop is very good. I'm not sure I would call it "super intense" but it is very good.

 

yeah, it's true that the ride does feel like it is losing steam after the keyholes and the return leg is a bit boring, although the turn around and spin next the keyhole is somewhat alright. But that's a pretty big chuck of ride that is quite good -- nothing amazing, but better than many coasters that don't seem to get the flak it does.

 

What's "intense" for me about the drop is that sensation of hanging upside down about 170 feet above the ground in the front, and then plunging down -- I dunno, it has a bizarre intensity to it that feels different than many conventional drops.

 

That all said, I still put it in the solid, good 6.5/7 out of 10 coaster category (but it seems to get PGA's Grizzly type of scorn around some people?)

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I've been on Gatekeeper and Sheikra and Griffon. I really like the dive machines. Gatekeeper is a snoozefest, imo.

 

I've ridden those three as well. I didn't think of Gatekeeper as a snoozefest...I thought it was fun. Then again, I only rode it once last year while visiting CP and didn't feel a need to ride it again unlike some other coasters at CP.

 

On the other hand, I really like Sheikra and Griffon! If CP ends up with a bigger, longer, B&M Dive Coaster, I think that's a good thing!

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I love both Griffon and Sheikra, so the fact that this coaster appears to do more than both of them looks like a huge win. My one gripe is that I wish it would do an extra turn or two before the MCBR. Seems like a huge waste of kinetic energy. But it makes up for it with a stellar-looking second half!

 

Part of me does wish CP would have knocked the dive coaster concept out of the park, but this does look to be the best one out there, so I'm sure I'll be happy to have it in the park.

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Gatekeeper is WOEFULLY over-criticized in my view. That first drop with the turn at the top and the upside plunge is unbelievably great in my view -- why don't more people find that drop super intense?

I think the problem most people have with Gatekeeper isn't the first drop or even up until the first keyhole, it's just that once it goes over the entrance to the park, the ride might as well be over. I can't think of many more coasters that have such a decent beginning into one of the most boring and useless 2nd halves of a layout ever.

 

And the first drop is very good. I'm not sure I would call it "super intense" but it is very good.

 

I felt the same way after the second run around over the park entrance I felt like "ok the point of the rest of the ride is to get back to the station/get the record for the longest winged coaster, lol.

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Gatekeeper is WOEFULLY over-criticized in my view. That first drop with the turn at the top and the upside plunge is unbelievably great in my view -- why don't more people find that drop super intense?

I think the problem most people have with Gatekeeper isn't the first drop or even up until the first keyhole, it's just that once it goes over the entrance to the park, the ride might as well be over. I can't think of many more coasters that have such a decent beginning into one of the most boring and useless 2nd halves of a layout ever.

 

And the first drop is very good. I'm not sure I would call it "super intense" but it is very good.

 

I felt the same way after the second run around over the park entrance I felt like "ok the point of the rest of the ride is to get back to the station/get the record for the longest winged coaster, lol.

The second half (after the dive loop) is also incredibly slow paced. The second roll over the gates is taken noticeably slower than the first (and less forcefully), followed by the "mid" course brakes, then a helix that seems like it should be about five mph faster. The first half is pretty good and retains good speed, but after the dive loop it just isn't very good at all.

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I've been on Gatekeeper and Sheikra and Griffon. I really like the dive machines. Gatekeeper is a snoozefest, imo.

 

I've ridden those three as well. I didn't think of Gatekeeper as a snoozefest...I thought it was fun. Then again, I only rode it once last year while visiting CP and didn't feel a need to ride it again unlike some other coasters at CP.

 

On the other hand, I really like Sheikra and Griffon! If CP ends up with a bigger, longer, B&M Dive Coaster, I think that's a good thing!

 

"Snoozefest" may have been overly harsh but someone earlier used the word "meandering" (in a positive context, no less) and that's just how this ride is to me. The only reason I rode it more than once was because the group I was with wanted to. Since there was nothing overtly painful or negative about my experience I decided begrudgingly to ride it again as well. I thought I was in danger of becoming a jaded enthusiast but I rode Silver Bullet (a ride a lot of enthusiasts don't care for) later that year and really enjoyed it. So there you have it. In my world Silver Bullet is better than Gatekeeper.

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