SbSteveZ Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Just a quick thought... With the lift being over 200 feet tall, and there being a possibility of a sligltly longer drop (if there is any kind of tunnel or ditch) - could that that possibly mean that first Immelmann could be taller than 170 feet? That would be around a 50' difference in height if the statistics are correct. Then they could claim it as being th tallest freestanding inversion on the planet. Another record they could push for this ride. I'm not sure how possible that may be. Or if it would create some fun hang time or become a bore with an unnecessary raised potential to valley... But nonetheless CP does enjoy breaking records! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Thanks for the overhead map placing the potential layout in context. If that indeed is the layout, it's an odd choice to put the drop in that location -- I would think they would want to place the actual drop somewhere near the midway walkway because it is always a great spot where people want to stop and watch the car hang, and then drop -- consider where the drops are placed on Griffon and Sheikra. Be interesting to see where everything is located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coasterguy21 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Rumors (and these are just rumors for now) are floating around that the coaster will feature an 8 across seating pattern and the new vest harnesses. That could be interesting on a DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 ^Aren't the seats on the rides with those restraints more reclined? If so, won't that, in a way, change the feeling you get while hanging over the drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck funny Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I am going next thursday night/ friday/ part of saturday. We have platinum passes and are staying on site. I am wondering if flashpass is a good idea for the friday? Somewhere i read a tr saying that even flashpass lines were an hour long at some point. Kinda defeats the purpose. don't they limit number of fp's sold? We are probably leaving before they make their announcement. Oh well i can find out later i guess. Do you get anything special for being there or just get to watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philrad71 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 It appears someone has already made a recreation.[youtu_be] [/youtu_be] I personally think that this looks pretty sweet myself. Someone had mentioned that any park making an upcoming announcement after Dollywood's is going to be somewhat tame in comparison...and that seems like it very well hold true. But when you look at the big picture and realize that this will be the biggest dive machine in the world along with the fact that both US dive machines are really, REALLY fun rides (and crowd eaters), I cannot see much in the way of disappointment. Cedar Point will have one of, if not THE largest variety of coasters in the world...and people act like this is a bad thing? There were folks complaining about Fast Lane Plus lines several pages back...don't you think that the addition of this coaster will help dissipate some of the heavy lines at the other popular coasters just a little bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithPlus1 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 ^Not to mention, I do think the RMC conversion of Mean Streak will happen. With the current structure RMC will have a lot of room to make a crazy ride. Then take a look at the variety! WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philrad71 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 ^I agree! I think that this is the perfect move for CP right now. Build another high capacity coaster, wait for RMC to keep coming out with more "crazy as bat shit" elements and THEN do the Mean Streak conversion a couple of years down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) Interesting... seeing that it goes right over the Marina Gate, does that make it... Marina Gatekeer? Edited August 9, 2015 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 ^ It definitely gives off that vibe of being to the West side of the peninsula, what GateKeeper is to the East, and Main Gate! It will be crazy photogenic when you're driving up to The Point on the causeway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 ^ It definitely gives off that vibe of being to the West side of the peninsula, what GateKeeper is to the East, and Main Gate! It will be crazy photogenic when you're driving up to The Point on the causeway! Gatekeeper 2.0?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philrad71 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Just one more reason to pop over to Famous Dave's for a couple of cold beers and some burnt ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Gatekeeper 2.0?! Hey, I love GateKeeper, so it looks good to me! Just one more reason to pop over to Famous Dave's for a couple of cold beers and some burnt ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftThrill Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 This will also mean CP will have 5 coasters over 200 feet. Magnum, Millennium, TTD, Wicked Twister, and now Valravn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Interesting... seeing that it goes right over the Marina Gate, does that make it... Marina Gatekeer? I feel like this is probably what is going to happen. After they redid the beach gate for Windseeker and the main gate for GateKeeper, this one seemed more dated than the one by Challenge Park (which I'm guessing will also probably get revamped at some point as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsencarson Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 No, it makes it MarinaKeeper 232. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 The inclusion of the water in the teaser makes more sense too, when you consider Valravn's proximity to the Marina, and the Marina gate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck funny Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 ^It would be kinda funny if they announce a new triotech dark ride next saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 ^It would be kinda funny if they announce a new triotech dark ride next saturday. Call me stubborn, but I haven't ruled anything out for this announcement (though I hope it's what we've seen here - with an enclosed drop one of the two drops!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal123 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Rumors (and these are just rumors for now) are floating around that the coaster will feature an 8 across seating pattern and the new vest harnesses. That could be interesting on a DM. No No No!!! I really hope the rumor is false. Those new restraints should be for wing coasters and wing coasters only. To maximise the feeling of airtime you must minimize restraint contact with a rider. having those big vest like restraints on a DM would completely remove the amazing B and M airtime from the drops. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Force Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Rumors (and these are just rumors for now) are floating around that the coaster will feature an 8 across seating pattern and the new vest harnesses. That could be interesting on a DM. No No No!!! I really hope the rumor is false. Those new restraints should be for wing coasters and wing coasters only. To maximise the feeling of airtime you must minimize restraint contact with a rider. having those big vest like restraints on a DM would completely remove the amazing B and M airtime from the drops. Just my opinion. That would explain the layout though, as the 8 across would have lower capacity than the 10 across and therefor require a shorter layout and ride time. Seems odd that they would make that sacrifice for a system that doesn't really improve the experience in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMBTB Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Height and speed are great! People sure do love that stuff! But how about a world-class ride with unique "stuff"? A nice tunnel or two? A much needed pre-lift section? How about that splash-down effect Cedar Point still doesn't have? Trenches with a walk-over bridge? Some fake caves like the good old Demon at Great America? Trees? Surely we can get trees? If the renderings are true, looks like the Point will be getting a fairly plane-jane coaster. Leave station -> turn to lift -> go up lift.... -> tall, downward sloping brake run (what a waste of energy!). Sure, it will be fun and people will love it... but it would be nice if they came up with something truly stunning and unique. For example, Thunderbird at Holiday World blew my socks off; the few bells and whistles really make it! Cedar Point could do all that and more, but as a friend reminded me "they don't have to." Just my 2 cents. (I know I know.. the park isn't there to build it for me and all that... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XShortestStrawX Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Height and speed are great! People sure do love that stuff! But how about a world-class ride with unique "stuff"? A nice tunnel or two? A much needed pre-lift section? How about that splash-down effect Cedar Point still doesn't have? Trenches with a walk-over bridge? Some fake caves like the good old Demon at Great America? Trees? Surely we can get trees? If the renderings are true, looks like the Point will be getting a fairly plane-jane coaster. Leave station -> turn to lift -> go up lift.... -> tall, downward sloping brake run (what a waste of energy!). Sure, it will be fun and people will love it... but it would be nice if they came up with something truly stunning and unique. For example, Thunderbird at Holiday World blew my socks off; the few bells and whistles really make it! Cedar Point could do all that and more, but as a friend reminded me "they don't have to." Just my 2 cents. (I know I know.. the park isn't there to build it for me and all that... ) Nobody ever really expects theming out of Cedar Point. Doesn't bother me much. Visuals don't do much for me on coasters anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakelemay23 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I love this layout. Considering the coasters B&M have built lately have seemed uninspired and not really focused on ride experience (my opinion) , This is really impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 But how about a world-class ride with unique "stuff"? A nice tunnel or two? A much needed pre-lift section? How about that splash-down effect Cedar Point still doesn't have? Trenches with a walk-over bridge? Some fake caves like the good old Demon at Great America? Trees? Surely we can get trees? I'm right there with you on all this! I still think some of that could be a part of Valravn, since what we've seen doesn't seem to include any non coaster details. One can hope, right? On a related note has anybody seen that article that purports strongly that this is all a ruse, orchestrated by CP, and they're actually getting the dark ride? I forget what site ran it, and I'm not sure what TPR policy is regarding linking to other sites, but I could track it down again. This possibility is exactly why I've tried to maintain an open mind regarding the veracity of these "leaks", and the expectation of a coaster next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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