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So let's say that this will be for 2018. That means the construction timeline will be the longest of any of their projects to date - Two months longer than New Texas Giant (which was a prototype with purposely slow/careful construction) - Also longer than any of their 4 custom ground-up projects. This fact makes me wonder...

 

Somebody could say "Well CP has harsh winters so they need a long time" - Tell that to SFGAm, SFNE, or Kolmarden which all were able to construct in less than a year.

 

Somebody could say "Well this project will be really extensive, RMC's biggest yet with Topper Track instead of standard IBox to keep the coaster wood and break a ton of records" - To that I say, "hmmm, plausible "

 

Now that we know RMC is coming to Cedar Point, I wonder what Mean Streak's new name will be? I think it will be something new altogether ditching the Mean Streak name. What about you guys?

 

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^ but Topper Track is manufactured and assembled at the factory. It isn't formed on site like we will see with Mystic Timbers. That wouldn't increase the timeline much, if at all.

 

I don't think it's going to happen, as much as I'd like it to.

 

Well yeah, but there could be some unforeseen complexities with trying that for the first time that we don't know. It seems simple to us, but we're not the engineers in their office.

 

I think if they don't use Topper Track over IBox, it's a really big missed opportunity. The park desperately needs a modern wooden coaster, and they certainly have potential to earn a handful of more world records, which they don't shy away from (they did advertise that "Valravn shattered TEN WORLD RECORDS).

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So let's say that this will be for 2018. That means the construction timeline will be the longest of any of their projects to date - Two months longer than New Texas Giant (which was a prototype with purposely slow/careful construction) - Also longer than any of their 4 custom ground-up projects. This fact makes me wonder...

 

Somebody could say "Well CP has harsh winters so they need a long time" - Tell that to SFGAm, SFNE, or Kolmarden which all were able to construct in less than a year.

 

Somebody could say "Well this project will be really extensive, RMC's biggest yet with Topper Track instead of standard IBox to keep the coaster wood and break a ton of records" - To that I say, "hmmm, plausible "

 

The strong counter-argument is based on their marketing timeline, not whether or not it's physically possible to have the ride done by 2017.

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So let's say that this will be for 2018. That means the construction timeline will be the longest of any of their projects to date - Two months longer than New Texas Giant (which was a prototype with purposely slow/careful construction) - Also longer than any of their 4 custom ground-up projects. This fact makes me wonder...

 

Somebody could say "Well CP has harsh winters so they need a long time" - Tell that to SFGAm, SFNE, or Kolmarden which all were able to construct in less than a year.

 

Somebody could say "Well this project will be really extensive, RMC's biggest yet with Topper Track instead of standard IBox to keep the coaster wood and break a ton of records" - To that I say, "hmmm, plausible "

 

Cedar Point's current management is less risk adverse than their predecessors. Their ride choices and the fact that they have consistently been able to get attractions up and running in a timely fashion now for a few years is testament to their desire to not "pull a Six Flags" and open a ride halfway through the operating seasons. That gets back into the reason why they can charge $190 for the equivalent of Six Flags' $55-72 Gold Pass. But I digress. Yes, 21 months would be an incredibly long time to build the ride, but that assumes that the ride is under constant construction. The more realistic possibility is that they chose a very conservative timeline, which matches the general demeanor of the execs, to get it running.

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IDK if this will be open next year or not, but it's exciting to see the RMC trucks at CP! CP has a really promising layout for an RMC of Mean Streak, and I could see them trying (and succeeding) to one-up Magic Mountain. It'll actually be kinda funny if SFMM gets a dive coaster in 2018 that's better than Valravn and CP gets an RMC that's better than TC in the same year.

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So let's say that this will be for 2018. That means the construction timeline will be the longest of any of their projects to date - Two months longer than New Texas Giant (which was a prototype with purposely slow/careful construction) - Also longer than any of their 4 custom ground-up projects. This fact makes me wonder...

 

Somebody could say "Well CP has harsh winters so they need a long time" - Tell that to SFGAm, SFNE, or Kolmarden which all were able to construct in less than a year.

 

Somebody could say "Well this project will be really extensive, RMC's biggest yet with Topper Track instead of standard IBox to keep the coaster wood and break a ton of records" - To that I say, "hmmm, plausible "

 

The strong counter-argument is based on their marketing timeline, not whether or not it's physically possible to have the ride done by 2017.

 

That post ins't even arguing for a 2017 opening, just hypothesizing what a 2018 opening means for us. Also, you've repeated your marketing argument like 5 times today, we get that you think 2017 is unrealistic.

 

I'm just trying to understand WHY they would start construction THIS early! Surely closing the coaster a month later with the rest of the park would work, no? And even if the coaster was THAT expensive and they needed to close it now, you think they would really need trucks immediately after?

 

Something's fishy...

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So let's say that this will be for 2018. That means the construction timeline will be the longest of any of their projects to date - Two months longer than New Texas Giant (which was a prototype with purposely slow/careful construction) - Also longer than any of their 4 custom ground-up projects. This fact makes me wonder...

 

Somebody could say "Well CP has harsh winters so they need a long time" - Tell that to SFGAm, SFNE, or Kolmarden which all were able to construct in less than a year.

 

Somebody could say "Well this project will be really extensive, RMC's biggest yet with Topper Track instead of standard IBox to keep the coaster wood and break a ton of records" - To that I say, "hmmm, plausible "

 

The strong counter-argument is based on their marketing timeline, not whether or not it's physically possible to have the ride done by 2017.

 

That post ins't even arguing for a 2017 opening, just hypothesizing what a 2018 opening means for us. Also, you've repeated your marketing argument like 5 times today, we get that you think 2017 is unrealistic.

 

I'm just trying to understand WHY they would start construction THIS early! Surely closing the coaster a month later with the rest of the park would work, no? And even if the coaster was THAT expensive and they needed to close it now, you think they would really need trucks immediately after?

 

Something's fishy...

 

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle here. I think they closed it early to save some money and to have a conservative timeline. Maybe Mean Streak wasn't costing them a ton of money but they closed Hurler for the season with very little visible work going on so closing unpopular wood coasters at least partially for budget isn't exactly foreign to them. That being said even with a conservative timeline I think (for once) it's entirely reasonable to expect a monster of a coaster here. Until now, every RMC IBox coaster in America was built by Six Flags, a company that doesn't generally spend as much on new coasters as Cedar Fair minus the ride at Kentucky Kingdom which obviously had budgetary constraints and those coasters were all awesome. The combination of Mean Streak's huge structure, a long timeline and a company that has no issue dropping 25 million dollars at a time on a coaster creates some really, really exciting scenarios.

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I've noticed the webcams have not shown the causeway or Mean Streak for the past couple days or so. May be time to start watching for the boat!

 

It is that time of year again!! #BoatLivesMatter

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I've noticed the webcams have not shown the causeway or Mean Streak for the past couple days or so. May be time to start watching for the boat!

 

It is that time of year again!! #BoatLivesMatter

 

I will murder you in your sleep.

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That post ins't even arguing for a 2017 opening, just hypothesizing what a 2018 opening means for us. Also, you've repeated your marketing argument like 5 times today, we get that you think 2017 is unrealistic.

 

I'm just trying to understand WHY they would start construction THIS early! Surely closing the coaster a month later with the rest of the park would work, no? And even if the coaster was THAT expensive and they needed to close it now, you think they would really need trucks immediately after?

 

Something's fishy...

 

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle here. I think they closed it early to save some money and to have a conservative timeline. Maybe Mean Streak wasn't costing them a ton of money but they closed Hurler for the season with very little visible work going on so closing unpopular wood coasters at least partially for budget isn't exactly foreign to them. That being said even with a conservative timeline I think (for once) it's entirely reasonable to expect a monster of a coaster here. Until now, every RMC IBox coaster in America was built by Six Flags, a company that doesn't generally spend as much on new coasters as Cedar Fair minus the ride at Kentucky Kingdom which obviously had budgetary constraints and those coasters were all awesome. The combination of Mean Streak's huge structure, a long timeline and a company that has no issue dropping 25 million dollars at a time on a coaster creates some really, really exciting scenarios.

 

This is a very interesting point to look at. They could keep the entire structure of the ride and add extra track length throughout the structure of the ride, or use the large area in the middle of the ride for more track configurations. They could make it taller, bigger, add underground tunnels, you name it, to possibly make this a grand project that would take all season to have it open in 2018. Cedar Point would be the park to spend the extra money to make this the number one RMC project to date. This could be something we haven't seen done yet by RMC for their conversions.

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This is huge. I still don't think it makes sense to announce next years improvements omitting the chains first RMC. But I'm not going to complain about what I don't understand. I seem to remember Maverick being half built before it was announced. Maybe there's a reason they want to do that... or maybe this is a 2018 attraction.

 

Who cares. RMC is at CP, and I'm ready for whatever it is they're about to do. It will be excellent.

 

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Actually, I'd guess 2017 based purely on a the early start, the lack of other RMC projects, and the fact that Cedar Point hasn't announced their in park additions yet.

 

Cedar Point is spending a ridiculous amount of money on additions already. They're currently making huge expansions to 2 hotels and expanding and renovating the water park all while a major RMC coaster project seems to be going on and they're building a sports complex off point and relocating a 200 foot Sky Coaster. Plus they just built the world's tallest dive coaster this year.

 

The Breakers expansion is for 2018... The sports complex isn't a huge expense for them, relocating a sky coaster is peanuts.

 

I'm still going with 2017. No RMCs announced, nothing has been announced in park. They are already working on Mean Streak and closed it early and teased it. 2017 seems logical

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