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Well I guess they should have built nitro, apollos chariot, raging bull, silverstar, and diamandback with no second half then and designed them to just go towards the station once they turn around.

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And you need to realize that the Batman clones were built in mid-nineties. We're in the 2010's, do you really think the price of material has gone up? A Batman in this year frame would cost more than when it was built in 1995 or so.

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The return on the investment would be that instead of being a mediocre Giga thats far too short timewise it would be an all around great ride.

 

I don't think you understand what "Return on Investment" means, at least for a business.

 

Rides like this aren't designed to cater to enthusiasts and fans with photoshop and Rollercoaster Tycoon. They are designed to cater to the general public, who more often than not see "New, bigger, faster, crazier" in the marketing and show up, or just show up for the park and decide to ride the attraction. I can tell you that no general guest is going to go to Guest Relations after riding Leviathan and say "Give me my money back because that elevated finale was a let down." Let's be real here.

 

Well I guess they should have built nitro, apollos chariot, raging bull, silverstar, and diamandback with no second half then and designed them to just go towards the station once they turn around.

 

1. I can assure you people would still ride it.

2. 50% less of a new coaster is still 100% more of a new coaster than a park would have had they not built the coaster at all. So while this would certainly make these rides less attractive in the eyes of the enthusiast, the general public still wouldn't care to the level you give them credit for.

 

This argument is proof positive why rides should never be built for the enthusiast to begin with. A park builds the tallest B&M to date and people moan about the brake run. It may not be the most insane ride ever, but guess what? It is still a NEW ride. Do I think it looks like the greatest coaster ever? No, but the brake run is certainly not the thing that stands out as the fatal flaw of the ride. Does my opinion (or yours) matter when it comes to the park's annual ticket sales and attendance? That's a solid no.

 

If this were the last new coaster to be built in the world, you'd still have people finding reason to complain about it not meeting their expectations. Like I said before, 50% of something new is still 100% more of something new than the 0% of anything new you'd have if the park decided to never build a new coaster again. Can we just accept the coaster for what it is and move on? I'm sure in another five years there'll be another huge investment for you to pick apart for its disappointing finale.

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The last pages of this thread made me think about this (LOL) Would TTD be "better" ? Well, actually, it is probable. Does the existing one s*ck ? Absolutely not... really, there are lots of spoilt kids on here...

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^Reminds me of Abismo.

 

Anyways, this is the first time I ever heard this much complaining about a coaster that is over a mile long. Think Leviathan is too short, well TTD is about 18 seconds long. Did I think that it was short at first? Yes, but once looking at the length, duration, and cost of the ride, I think it is good as is.

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Anyways, this is the first time I ever heard this much complaining about a coaster that is over a mile long.

 

Have you heard of a little ride called "The Ultimate" in the UK?

 

I now return you to the CW thread, which is already in progress. I'm sure Leviathan will be a very enjoyable ride; hey, I'm a fan of the old Morgan hypers, too (lumbering beasts that they are).

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I will say that the whole Leviathian project did seem a bit odd from the beginning. These days most parks tease a major new ride announcement for a little while before the announcement is made, CW just kind of announced it out of the blue one day fairly late in the season if I remember correctly. That combined with the fact that this ride is VERY really similar to Behemoth still makes me think that this project might have been originally intended for a different park that for whatever reason fell through at the last minute and ha to be built elsewhere. That might also explain the crazy brake run, maybe the original design did have a few more hills but the design had to be modified at the last minute to fit the space at CW. Just a theory, refute it all you want (and I'm sure you will), but this installation was always kind of odd to me.

 

Still looks like a great ride that the GP will love.

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^When it comes right down to it, the main idea is to get people through the turnstiles, and I imagine this ride will be a big draw for an already popular park.

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I don't get b&M lately. They put mid course brakes on their hypers and then put garbage after them. The early Hypers like Nitro and Apollos Chariot had great second halfs. Behemoth and Intimidator have terrible after brake sections and Leviathons is the biggest joke of all. Its obivous that they originally had designed a different ending at some point. The entrance to the final brakes was once an MCBR in the design process.

 

On a separate note, riding one of their rides like Kumba and then riding one of their new wingriders is depressing. Kumba is so intense and fast paced. I love it. The wingriders are lame in my opinion. Even riding on of the newer floorlesses is tame compared to Kumba. They made much more intense loopers in the 90's. Chang/Green Lantern is one of the last ones before they started stretching out transitions between elements and making them even more oversized. I am actually glad my home park got a used older B&M instead of the new one.

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You should write them and tell them what keeps you up at night. I hear enthusiast letters are what's gonna power the future generation of B&M brake runs.

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I know it wasn't a last second decision to build the ride, I just found the timing of announcement process to be odd. I don't remember there being any teasers online, or any signs in the park or really any significant rumors about it or anything prior to the announcement. When was the last time you remember there being a major coaster installed at a park that didn't have any significant rumors or any type of lead up the to announcement?

 

Leviathan should be a huge success, it just felt like there might have been a little more to the story as to why they decided to build the first B&M Giga coaster at Canada's Wonderland.

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Wow, a very entertaining read over the past few pages!

 

I guess enthusiasts, despite the name, are never 100% enthused. That’s totally fine if a speed coaster isn’t your thing. I just find it funny when people try to create some sort of frankencoaster by adding out of place elements that have already been designed into Behemoth.

 

The coaster, as of this past Friday, opened about 18 months to the day they started planning and designing it specifically for Wonderland. There’s got to be a good reason for the brake run that I’m sure an engineer from B&M would be happy to answer that one day.

 

I spoke to a few people who were at the corporate bank days this past weekend and no matter the age, the huge smiles and excitement while they talked about Leviathan are a pretty good indicator of how the majority of park guests will react. It is a phenomenal addition to the park, just as i305 and Millennium Force were at other Cedar Fair parks. This ride will take your breath away just looking at it while walking up to the front gate, just as Behemoth does as you drive by it for what seems like forever getting to the parking lot.

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I know it wasn't a last second decision to build the ride, I just found the timing of announcement process to be odd. I don't remember there being any teasers online, or any signs in the park or really any significant rumors about it or anything prior to the announcement. When was the last time you remember there being a major coaster installed at a park that didn't have any significant rumors or any type of lead up the to announcement?

 

Leviathan should be a huge success, it just felt like there might have been a little more to the story as to why they decided to build the first B&M Giga coaster at Canada's Wonderland.

From day one, there were talks about something big. IIRC, ground was already broken from opening day last year. There were a couple teasers in park that I'm sure were posted here such as the blatantly visible box with "GC seats" spray painted on it. Of course, there was the leaked renderings the night before the announcement, a trend seen across Cedar Fair parks last year. I do sort of agree in the sense that Wonderland doesn't tease as much or in ways as other parks do. Hell, they used a quote from Dick Kinzel as part of their teasing.

 

As for this whole brake run thing, I don't know why people are coming up with alternate endings. The last time I saw Leviathan was when the lift hill was halfway up and the brake run was completed. I cannot see any more space for track, and I would personally find it terrible having more track hover above Dragon Fire.

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The coaster, as of this past Friday, opened about 18 months to the day they started planning and designing it specifically for Wonderland. There’s got to be a good reason for the brake run that I’m sure an engineer from B&M would be happy to answer that one day.

 

This may very well be 100% true, but I would love to have been a fly on a wall at Cedar Fairs headquarters to hear what was being discussed and planned 19 months ago....

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There was definitely something that changed over the course of development. The beginning of the brake run is taller than dragon fire which is 78 feet tall. That means this brake run starts even higher than that (closer to 100 feet). Unless there was some weird circumstance where they changed plans they never would have designed the brakerun to start at that height.

 

 

This is higher than most B&M MCBR's.

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