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I like that the name is "B&Mforever", yet the message is "B&M until ten years ago".

 

Other than B&M's reliability and capacity at this moment Intamin makes more exciting rides at the current time. The B&M loopers they make today are a joke compared to what they used to make. Its the truth. They used to be my favorite company. They make forceless boring rides now for the most part.

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The argument about that shouldn't take place on here at all because at the end of the day we know that Cedar Fair is only doing what they're mandated to do. Even Knott's lifted the restrictions ASAP.

While not completely related to the operation of Canada's Wonderland, the park was used in a completely different way earlier this week to keep a tradition alive due to current COVID-19 restrictions i

Go to CW site.  Click to buy something like a season pass.  You'll see it in the popup transaction window.  Under 2021 Season Pass -> 2021 Add Ons.  

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While I haven't made anything recently, I used to make coasters in nolimit's using mathematical formulas. I actually was very highly rated on coastercrazy.com. I even won medals for multiple coasters which means I was the top rated track of the week. Anyways I never claimed that they should built it exactly as I put it. It was a concept drawing of a basic idea.

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^^ THANK YOU!!! Good lord, I don't know what's so hard for him to understand - it WAS designed that way.....deal with it!!

 

If it bothers you that much, b&mforever, then don't ride it. I'm sure there will be plenty of others (myself included) that will gladly take your place in line for Leviathan.

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While I haven't made anything recently, I used to make coasters in nolimit's using mathematical formulas. I actually was very highly rated on coastercrazy.com. I even won medals for multiple coasters which means I was the top rated track of the week. Anyways I never claimed that they should built it exactly as I put it. It was a concept drawing of a basic idea.

Why haven't Walter and Claude contacted you yet? It's obvious you're a Level 7 master builder!

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Ugh - this whole break run thingy conversation is making my eyes bleed!!! It is an amazing looking coaster and I look forward to riding it!!

 

I'm glad it's in "good Canada ."

 

David

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It also may be possibly the brake run is so high due to the heat generated by the wheels. I know people may say MF is just as long without the brake run, but the trains are also not nearly as heavy I would assume (load per wheel). Does anybody know the weight per car section of an Intamin train versus a B&M one?

 

By ending the ride up high, it gives time for the wheels to cool down a bit while not at a stopped position (avoiding flat spots if the compound is soft), so by having a brake run that constantly moves the train for 30-45 seconds or so, it allows time for the wheel to cool without developing these flat spots. Keep in mind, these "flat spots" can be so small you would never be able to see them. But once these wheels have them, there is now a stress riser that will fail the wheel prematurely. Causing a rough ride and increased maintenance costs.

 

I am not aware of the melting point of these compounds (they could extremely high), and this theory may be completely B.S... But I know rides in the past have had wheel issues with heat, so that is my guess on why the brake run is the way it is. If it would end at a normal height and move to the next block and sit and wait due to the overall shorter time of that block section, they may cause issues to occur. This ride has quite a high average speed along the course, I would assume very similar to MF. But so many other factors come into play then just length and average speed. Load, forces along course, rail material/coatings, etc...

 

Either way and whatever the reason, it don't bother me one bit (brakerun).

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Just because I've now pretty much given up on this thread, I will throw out my reason for the brake run being so high up...

 

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON TOP OF THE KOD BUILDING AT KNOTTS!!!!!

 

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^If only the geniuses who designed this ride and the business people who paid for this ride had the designing capabilities of a TPR member with Photoshop.

 

 

Soooo quotable.

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Just because I've now pretty much given up on this thread, I will throw out my reason for the brake run being so high up...

 

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON TOP OF THE KOD BUILDING AT KNOTTS!!!!!

 

THIS!!!

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Well Elissa pretty much just won the Internet with that one as far as I'm concerned.

 

There was definitely something that changed over the course of development. The beginning of the brake run is taller than dragon fire which is 78 feet tall. That means this brake run starts even higher than that (closer to 100 feet). Unless there was some weird circumstance where they changed plans they never would have designed the brakerun to start at that height.

 

[super important picture of tall brake run which determines the future of roller coasters]

 

This is higher than most B&M MCBR's.

 

You're kidding, right? You just posted a picture in which the super-tall brake run CLEARLY has something it needs to be built over. And it's taller than most B&M mid-courses because, oh, I don't know, this ride is taller than all of those rides, double or triple a lot of them? And it is the ride's mid-course. Since you're a Paint Engineer, you'd think you would understand that the flat portion of Leviathan's brake run serves as an MCBR to allow another train to crest the lift safely. I guess the degree you have doesn't make that clear.

 

It also doesn't make clear that with a price tag of $28 million, this ride cost more to build for Canada's Wonderland and Cedar Fair than any other "plain" installation I can think of (excluding rides like Verbolten and the Disney/Universal crop, for theming prices), and that every extra bit tacked on to that number is more money that Cedar Fair can no longer provide to another park in the chain for improvements and new attractions.

 

Sit back and realize that another giga just got built and there will probably be more where that came from. Let the brake runs be tall, it really isn't that big of a deal. Especially considering the ride's getting great reviews.

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There was definitely something that changed over the course of development. The beginning of the brake run is taller than dragon fire which is 78 feet tall. That means this brake run starts even higher than that (closer to 100 feet). Unless there was some weird circumstance where they changed plans they never would have designed the brakerun to start at that height.

 

[super important picture of tall brake run which determines the future of roller coasters]

 

This is higher than most B&M MCBR's.

 

You're kidding, right? You just posted a picture in which the super-tall brake run CLEARLY has something it needs to be built over. And it's taller than most B&M mid-courses because, oh, I don't know, this ride is taller than all of those rides, double or triple a lot of them? And it is the ride's mid-course. Since you're a Paint Engineer, you'd think you would understand that the flat portion of Leviathan's brake run serves as an MCBR to allow another train to crest the lift safely. I guess the degree you have doesn't make that clear.

 

The comment might have been ill judged, but chill out a bit with the flaming.

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The comment might have been ill judged, but chill out a bit with the flaming.

 

I'm sorry. I really don't mean to flame, trust me. There have just been so many pages above this brake run, it's like there's not an entire 300-foot roller coaster to talk about or something! Isn't there like, a new tunnel being added to talk about?

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Next time you make fun of a kid sharing his ideas, remember that every single ride starts out with a simple sketch.

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Next time you make fun of a kid sharing his ideas, remember that every single ride starts out with a simple sketch.

 

Not so....Ron Toomer used coat hangers.........LMAO just kidding.

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Just because I've now pretty much given up on this thread, I will throw out my reason for the brake run being so high up...

 

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON TOP OF THE KOD BUILDING AT KNOTTS!!!!!

 

 

This. One billion times this.

 

dt

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I am gonna go out on a limb and say they are far from done with the tunnel.

 

I think that's a fairly safe assumption.

 

TAKE THE QUONSET HUT!

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