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P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

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There's been other photos, but I took this one Thursday afternoon...

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Here's one of the posts...

 

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There's also a mysterious blue wrapped "thing" underneath Millenium...It's been there for about 2 weeks...It looks sorta like a dive car flipped on its back...(headrests on grass)

 

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That Dive track is huge!!

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I know it's all a matter of personal preference, but I find it nearly impossible to believe that people who say they don't "feel" any airtime, aren't still spending plenty of time with their bottoms off the seat (unless they stapled themselves or are too large?). And that, my friends, is dictionary definition "airtime". Just because it's not ejector air, doesn't mean it's not airtime. I think when we all discuss airtime here at TPR, there is a need to be specific regarding which kind of airtime you are referring to, because otherwise it's just a cause for contention.

 

I really don't feel that sensation on Nitro or Apollo (maybe a bit at the ends of those rides). My butt is on the seat. Even if I have a bit of wiggle room in the lapbars it makes no difference. I don't need to be told what floater airtime is because I've been on coasters that I consider to have that.

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I've said this before and it amazes me that people still think this is a false statement...

Airtime does not necessitate you actually coming out of your seat. It is just the sensation of negative g-force or reduced positive g-force.

To nail this point home, if you're stapled on El Toro, does the ride suddenly not have any airtime? No, and it's ridiculous to argue otherwise. I'm at a point on Nitro in which my last "click" hold me very firmly in my seat. I don't actually come up at all out of my seat, but there is an obvious three to four seconds on the larger camelbacks of negative g-force. That, in my opinion, is airtime. The only factor that distinguishes floater from ejector is the intensity of the airtime. You don't have to come out of your seat for ejector airtime either--if you did, then I suppose El Toro's RT hill is only a "quick pop of floater."

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On nitro I don't experience 3 to 4 seconds of any obvious sensation. The hills are huge and drawn out and they're crested at comparatively slow speeds. I don't believe for a second that they're producing 0g's, but maybe they're cruising at 0.5 g's or something. Obviously for many people that's enough of a difference to trigger the airtime sensation but for me and some others it isn't. It would be great if people would stop implying that I'm lying or insane or something when I say: For the most part, I don't feel floater airtime on these rides. It is the truth.

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It depends with Nitro. The back row near the end of the day gives borderline ejector airtime after the MCBR. And it has tons of floater air everywhere else during all times of the day. I've felt airtime on every B&M hyper I've been on. Even MF (which is tame compared to some hypers) has decent floater air. Everything has airtime but sometimes you aren't aware of it.

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I've been on Diamondback and Nitro and there was barely any airtime on either one of them.

 

Then you're doing it wrong.

 

Row 16 on Diamondback is my go to row for maximum airtime. You get airtime on every drop in row 16.

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Great Adventure is my home park. I've been on Nitro hundreds of times. It has plenty of airtime. It does. Thats it.

 

Unless they are relocating Nitro to Cedar Point, lets discuss Cedar Point.

 

Good thing you guys came along to tell me that my experiences aren't valid.

 

Different people experience this sensation differently. Nobody's "right" or "wrong".

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^You may not be experiencing a different sensation, but you're reacting differently. Regardless of how it makes it feel, if one person experiences 0 g's, then so are you. It may feel like nothing to one guy, but it may feel really intense to the next. It's all in perspective . And to say Nitro's hills pull over 0 g's is incorrect. Usually B&M's airtime hills (depending on the generation, the new ones are slightly different) transition to 0g's, snap to anywhere from .3 g's to .7g's (and never any lower than that) at the crest of the parabola, then go back to 0, then go back to strong positives at the valley. I'm not invalidating your experience, but perhaps you caught Nitro on an off day. At the beginning of this season, it was running extremely sluggish compared to it's normal pacing and crawling over ever element because of a wheel change. Or of course you could be less sensitive to negative g's than most people. Or maybe you've experienced the same thing so many times your body gets used to it and doesn't react. It happens to me sometimes, but when that happens I change things up and ride in a different row to make things interesting.

 

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled thread . I find it interesting that CP decided to sneak an airtime hill in both Gatekeeper and (supposedly) Valravn. It's an interesting decision on their part. Wingriders and dive machines are usually focusing on inversions, so it's pretty cool to see airtime hills on these coasters (even if they're not as strong as on, say, a hyper coaster or such)

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There's also a mysterious blue wrapped "thing" underneath Millenium...It's been there for about 2 weeks...It looks sorta like a dive car flipped on its back...(headrests on grass)

 

I am about 100% positive that is not a Dive Machine car.

 

1.) Why would it be so far away from the track and supports? And radomly laying on their back in grass?? No.

 

2.) Don't they usually store the trains inside until they and brought out to be put on the track

 

3.) Why would they be there so early?? Trains usually don't arrive until well AFTER the track and supports start to arrive.

 

Also, someone correct me if I am wrong, but don't B&M Trains usually arrive at parks in those boxy metal shipping containers?? Not randomly wrapped in blue plastic.

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^ Maybe I'm just crazy... But those look like small little wheels to me. (Which might be what you're trying to point out.)

 

Every one of the photos I have looked through while trying to find the up stop plates have shown wheels. Or at least what looks like wheels.

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You're correct, those are wheels. They switched from the pads to the wheels at some point and unfortunately I can't find any pictures of the pads.

 

Whew! Glad I am not crazy! I have been searching for photos of the pads as well, I made it as far back as photos from 2006 and Magnum still has the wheels! So at least we know the change happened before 2006!

 

Edit: Checked photos from 2000 and it already had the upstop wheels... (Still searching)

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You're correct, those are wheels. They switched from the pads to the wheels at some point and unfortunately I can't find any pictures of the pads.

 

Whew! Glad I am not crazy! I have been searching for photos of the pads as well, I made it as far back as photos from 2006 and Magnum still has the wheels! So at least we know the change happened before 2006!

 

The change from plates to wheels happened either before the end of 1989 or at the start of the 1990 season.

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