dylanreich Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The troll is winning big time. Spawned a whole page of discussion on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakelemay23 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I've seen someone post that same exact exaggeration on forums somewhere (not sure if it was this one) Pretty sure this guy just stole someones joke and was trolling on Youtube, or its the same guy and hes on acid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillies2 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Apparently the FAA said no to the height, Idk what happens now https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/letterViewer.jsp?letterID=264356385 Edited September 9, 2015 by phillies2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 In regards to some posters saying they would like to see black track at CP, I see your point, and do understand, but I have to say black track would look AWFUL once fading started! Its not cheap to repaint a coaster as to why it doesn't happen more often. Now, I'd love to see purple track. But black would end up being a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Apparently the FAA said no to the height, Idk what happens nowhttps://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/WebBlobServlet FYI - your link is dead. Was a new PDF attached to it? Or are you talking about the letter today saying it wasn't approved for 230 FT but if it was 217 feet the FAA would not have an issue? Pretty ridiculous response I guess...that 13 feet will cause a "hazard" to air navigation and a reduced height is required or "up to 120 days..." for another survey? Well, with MF/TTD nearby there wouldn't be any "obstructions" and aircraft obviously wouldn't fly that low over it... https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/letterViewer.jsp?letterID=264356385 EDIT - to those conspiracy theorists.... **Does this mean we could see a 13 ft underground tunnel?!** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 So Cedar Point can't build a 230 foot coaster but they can have a 426 foot tall coaster a few hundred feet away, not to mention an addition 310 foot tall one? That makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteGs Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This seems to be the issue: Section 77.17(a)(2) - A height that is 200 feet AGL, or above the established airport elevation, whichever is higher, within 3 nautical miles of the established reference point of an airport with its longest runway more than 3,200 feet in actual length. The proposed structure would exceed by 13 feet. Cedar Point listed their distance in their submission from the highest point to the intersection of the two runways at the airport, which is 19215.51 ft, or 3.16 nautical miles. The FAA determined the distance to be 17,907 ft, or 2.94 nm from the closest endpoint of either runway. Oh, and in case you were wondering what the 3 nautical mile radius is from the point the FAA used: And relative to the highest point of the coaster as shown by CP: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytterbiumanalyst Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Wow, that came out of left field. I think everyone expected it to sail through. At this point with track in production, it would be very expensive to redesign it to be 13 ft. shorter. Reducing the height changes the speed throughout the course, which changes G forces as well. It would be far cheaper to run a public campaign to approve the coaster. Sounds like the FAA would approve it if the public pass it. Considering the entire town's economy depends on Cedar Point, it would be very likely approved by the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Considering that the coaster was supposed to be announced almost a month ago, and I simply can't imagine them announcing, and putting into production, a coaster that wasn't completely approved yet, I have to think this isn't going to hold up whatever they have planned! Maybe the coaster IS only 217 feet, instead of the previously thought 230. Or maybe there is going to be a ravine after the drop in the middle of the marina entrance midway that the coaster drops 13 feet into. I just can't imagine CP being so presumptuous as to not get height clearance before getting into the manufacturing and announcement phase of the coaster. All this to say nothing of the fact that CP has already gone WAY over 230 feet all over the peninsula, and I can't see the FAA suddenly caring about this particular location - especially involving a closed airport... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB305 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 ....How in the world is a 230 foot coater an obstruction while only a couple hundred yards away from 310, 205, and 420 foot coasters? This makes no sense at all as to how it could be considered an obstruction. Also: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Hero Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Does anyone know where the livestream for the announcement will be? I was under the impression it would be on CP's website but 2016 isn't mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I have now gotten word from Dorney Park's Dipping Dots guy: Cedar Pount will not be building a diver coaster! They will instead burn the track on site and a 600 foot Polarcoaster will rise from the ground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ape Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Will there be a live stream anywhere of the announcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I really don't expect there to be an issue. There is probably just some additional paperwork the park will have to file. They have 2 coaster nearby that are already over that height and there's not a problem with them, so I don't forsee a problem here. Like I said I'm sure there is just a little more paperwork on Cedar Points part. . . That is... if that article is even real. P.S. - 59 Minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP Maverick Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The proposed location is about 350 feet less than 3 nautical miles from the runway. WindSeeker is exactly 3 nm and Power Tower is 3.08 nm from the runway. The old Space Spiral tower was 400 feet closer to the runway, but was built before the FAA cared about the now-defunct little airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coasterguy21 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The proposed location is about 350 feet less than 3 nautical miles from the runway. WindSeeker is exactly 3 nm and Power Tower is 3.08 nm from the runway. The old Space Spiral tower was 400 feet closer to the runway, but was built before the FAA cared about the now-defunct little airport. Was just discussing this with people. I don't get how the 12 foot difference makes a big difference first off. Second off, how was everything still built with the airport still operating and then all of a sudden this with it defunct? And as for it posing an obstruction. When flying over areas such as this, a pilot is required to fly 500 feet above the TALLEST OBJECT in the area unless permission is given otherwise. So pilots will already be operating at over 920 feet over and near the peninsula. So I don't get why 230 would be a big deal. At any rate, you have Wicked Twister (215) and WindSeeker (301) just across the way. Power Tower (250) and Top Thrill Dragster (420) not far away! And just a few hundred yards north, Millennium Force (310). Just blows my mind. Shouldn't pose an issue. CP could either blow the money and lower it to 217 and see if a tunnel is possible to use the track still OR they can progress with the study and the FAA will, more than likely, approve the 230 height after awhile. But that may eat up some valuable construction time. Better hope that El Nino winter is true for us then so it can be finished no issue!! EDIT: LiveStream Link here: http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2015/09/cedar_point_to_announce_new_co.html#incart_m-rpt-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianparkfan Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This is highly unlikely, but maybe this has to do with the proposed "VR" technology used on the ride? I really can't see any other reason for something like this to come out so close to the announcement. After all, as others have pointed out, this is nowhere near as high as their other coasters, and the closest airport to the park is shut down. Why would airspace be any issue? The article did mention that "electromagnetic" interference could be an issue, so although I'm just taking stab in the dark, who knows; could this mean a "VR" system is confirmed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This is highly unlikely, but maybe this has to do with the proposed "VR" technology used on the ride? I really can't see any other reason for something like this to come out so close to the announcement. After all, as others have pointed out, this is nowhere near as high as their other coasters, and the closest airport to the park is shut down. Why would airspace be any issue? The article did mention that "electromagnetic" interference could be an issue, so although I'm just taking stab in the dark, who knows; could this mean a "VR" system is confirmed? I think you are looking WAY to far into this. I HIGHLY doubt that we will see a VR coming to this coaster... and even if we did, I highly doubt that putting VR headsets on a coaster would cause issues with the FAA... Then again I know nothing about FAA regulations so I could be wrong. I still think this article is something someone dug up/made up to get people talking... P.S. like 13 minutes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMarkSta Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2015/09/cedar_point_to_announce_new_co.html#incart_m-rpt-1 Live stream located here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Like I said I'm sure there is just a little more paperwork on Cedar Points part. . . That is... if that article is even real. Oh I know....just had to let everyone know how ridiculous it was! Like others have noticed, the area depends on CP and the public will help get it passed. Also...5 mins until the big reveal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2015/09/cedar_point_to_announce_new_co.html#incart_m-rpt-1 Live stream located here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRice92 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Oh man I'm getting excited now, thanks to the people who posted the link to the live stream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelgreen Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Can't get the live stream on my phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Oh man I'm getting excited now, thanks to the people who posted the link to the live stream! Agreed!!! Sadly my class starts in 1 minute so I may not get to watch the live announcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCasual Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This backround music is stuck in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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