DoubleDown Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Hate to break it to you but there's this thing called Lake Erie. LOL maybe freak is in your username for a reason. Yes, I've been to Cedar Point. A dozen or so times. Which is why I think what some of you "seasoned visitors" are saying is ridiculous. Those that visit regularly should know this. Honestly Cedar Point is probably one of the biggest parks I've ever been to around the globe. Haven't checked but I'd say it's bigger than Magic Mountain. It takes FOREVER to walk from Mean Streak to the front of the park. OMG!? What are they gonna do?! The park is on a peninsula! And surrounded by a lake!!! BUT it's on a freakin' huge peninsula. The park is not going to run out of room for roller coasters within the decade. They're not gonna run out of room in the next 2 decades. The parking lot is big enough to park cars on the busiest day. The land is big enough to put coasters anywhere. I think the higher ups at Cedar Fair will figure it out as time goes by if it even ever gets to that point. They're not dumb. I can't decide if you guys don't understand the actual logistics of theme parks or just like to go extreme and speculate about what will happen in 1000 years when we're not even around. Where if it's the latter, fine. Have fun speculating. I've got no problem with that. But it's not like the park will implode with coaster overabundance and visitor capacity in the next 20 years, will not be able to exist, and nobody who manages the place will know what to do. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but --actually, no--- I'm not sorry to burst any bubbles. I'm sick of hearing these "going to run out of room" discussions that are delirious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&MIntaminGCI Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Also, if the park really really wanted to, I'm sure they could add more to the peninsula via man made extensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterGuy06 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 You also need to realize the park's attendance has hovered in the low three million range for YEARS. Wasn't 1996 or so the highest attendance they had? They aren't going to expand it larger than it is now. They will continue to expand the way they have been doing it: remove aging attractions and replace them with new ones to draw people back. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondbacker27 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 There is so much space, in so many places, they can weave coasters anywhere, some older coasters will eventually be removed, there is plenty of parking, the list goes on and on. Maybe some of you bring it up because it's fun to talk about, but unless the park is confined to a very limited perimeter like Disneyland, Cedar Point is NOT going to run out of room! Have you ever actually been to Cedar Point?? The park is running out of room faster than I think any of us would like to admit. Yes the park is huge, but so are a lot of their coasters... Large coasters (for the most part) take up a large amount of room. I don't think there is as much room in the park as you think. Also, where are they going to expand... There is huge thing surrounding the park called "Lake Erie." I don't think the park can exactly move that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondbacker27 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Did anyone think what will happen to the parks when they run out of room? They remove older, less popular attractions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrlandoGuy Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Hate to break it to you but there's this thing called Lake Erie. LOL maybe freak is in your username for a reason. Yes, I've been to Cedar Point. A dozen or so times. Which is why I think what some of you "seasoned visitors" are saying is ridiculous. Those that visit regularly should know this. Honestly Cedar Point is probably one of the biggest parks I've ever been to around the globe. Haven't checked but I'd say it's bigger than Magic Mountain. It takes FOREVER to walk from Mean Streak to the front of the park. OMG!? What are they gonna do?! The park is on a peninsula! And surrounded by a lake!!! BUT it's on a freakin' huge peninsula. The park is not going to run out of room for roller coasters within the decade. They're not gonna run out of room in the next 2 decades. The parking lot is big enough to park cars on the busiest day. The land is big enough to put coasters anywhere. I think the higher ups at Cedar Fair will figure it out as time goes by if it even ever gets to that point. They're not dumb. I can't decide if you guys don't understand the actual logistics of theme parks or just like to go extreme and speculate about what will happen in 1000 years when we're not even around. Where if it's the latter, fine. Have fun speculating. I've got no problem with that. But it's not like the park will implode with coaster overabundance and visitor capacity in the next 20 years, will not be able to exist, and nobody who manages the place will know what to do. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but --actually, no--- I'm not sorry to burst any bubbles. I'm sick of hearing these "going to run out of room" discussions that are delirious. Actually, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but you're pretty wrong. Roller coasters can't just get plopped down wherever there's a space without a roller coaster. A lot of the dead space I think you're referring to is necessary infrastructure. The whole Northeast corner may be roller coaster-free but it's got hotel rooms, service roads, backstage facilities, the campground, etc. that shouldn't really be touched. Think back to the last time Cedar Point added a major roller coaster without removing or at least relocating another ride. They aren't doing that for fun buddy. It's because they'rs tighter on space than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivtim Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 On a peninsula? Surrounded by water? No more room? Hmm, can't think of another situation like that... Cedar Point could easily build another 10 large coasters without running out of space. I remember when Millennium Force opened some people said they were out of space. But they sure did find space for Dragster, Maverick, Gatekeeper, Wicked Twister, Maxair, Skyhawk, Shoot the Rapids, Lighthouse Point, etc... just remove some old rides, move around some existing rides, squeeze things in, or build on top of things. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonGeorge Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) This is why I love parks like Indiana Beach or Grona Lund that can do this. It opens up so many inviting concepts, and shows the park's true abilities. It would be rather interesting to see Cedar Point become one of these parks. Edited January 29, 2015 by DonGeorge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolandmammoth Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Hate to break it to you but there's this thing called Lake Erie. LOL maybe freak is in your username for a reason. Yes, I've been to Cedar Point. A dozen or so times. Which is why I think what some of you "seasoned visitors" are saying is ridiculous. Those that visit regularly should know this. Honestly Cedar Point is probably one of the biggest parks I've ever been to around the globe. Haven't checked but I'd say it's bigger than Magic Mountain. It takes FOREVER to walk from Mean Streak to the front of the park. OMG!? What are they gonna do?! The park is on a peninsula! And surrounded by a lake!!! BUT it's on a freakin' huge peninsula. The park is not going to run out of room for roller coasters within the decade. They're not gonna run out of room in the next 2 decades. The parking lot is big enough to park cars on the busiest day. The land is big enough to put coasters anywhere. I think the higher ups at Cedar Fair will figure it out as time goes by if it even ever gets to that point. They're not dumb. I can't decide if you guys don't understand the actual logistics of theme parks or just like to go extreme and speculate about what will happen in 1000 years when we're not even around. Where if it's the latter, fine. Have fun speculating. I've got no problem with that. But it's not like the park will implode with coaster overabundance and visitor capacity in the next 20 years, will not be able to exist, and nobody who manages the place will know what to do. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but --actually, no--- I'm not sorry to burst any bubbles. I'm sick of hearing these "going to run out of room" discussions that are delirious. First and formost, making a personal attack on MagnumFreak is stepping outside of the sense of humor clause. You do not have the right to make personal attacks on this site. I dont mean to backseat mod, but as a member of this site (and society at large) lets please keep all comments respectful. You make a completely uncalled for jab at MagnumFreak, he feels weird about it, other members feel weird about it, and you completely discredit your argument before anbody even has the chance to read it. Do you see why this type of comment isn't cool? Cool. In my next point, Im going have to completely disagree with everything you just said. I worked and lived at Cedar Point. That means Ive spent every single day (even if I was off) at the park, like it or not. I can absolutely assure you that these massive empty plots of land that you speak of do not exist. There is not a single part of the park that I can think of where a full sized coaster can be built without removing something. I would argue that the park has ALREADY run out of space for the most part. Edited January 29, 2015 by woolandmammoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpuddle Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 DoubleDown is spot-on. Cedar Point is one of the largest parks on earth and is in no way in danger of "running out of space" in any of our lifetimes. The park is basically at its limitations for number of attractions. It's not like the park is ever going to have 200-plus rides. Old rides will be taken out. The only reason the subject of space limitations comes up about Cedar Point so much is because the park boundaries are so obvious. Pretty much any park cannot just expand past their current boundaries. It's not like the empty space around other parks is just no-mans-land. Somebody owns it, and chances are they are not going to give it up for anything less than top dollar if they know that the park wants it. The expenditure to purchase land on top of building a new attraction is just not in the budget for practically any park. Some parks do purchase land, but they are really the exception, not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrlandoGuy Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 On a peninsula? Surrounded by water? No more room? Hmm, can't think of another situation like that... Cedar Point could easily build another 10 large coasters without running out of space. I remember when Millennium Force opened some people said they were out of space. But they sure did find space for Dragster, Maverick, Gatekeeper, Wicked Twister, Maxair, Skyhawk, Shoot the Rapids, Lighthouse Point, etc... just remove some old rides, move around some existing rides, squeeze things in, or build on top of things. Easy. Dragster required moving a couple flat rides. Maverick replaced the log flume. Gatekeeper replaced Disaster Transport. The other rides you listed have considerably small footprints. The point being that all of these additions required moving around/demolising some things. Nobody is saying that Cedar Point will never get new big rides ever again...but there aren't vast expanses of land for them to do so. All these big additions require removals and re-arrangements, pretty much the definition of being low on space. This dive coaster, if it actually comes to fruition, will come at the cost of a big theater and possibly the car ride. Cedar Point isn't stuck with it's current lineup forever, but space IS tight and they DO have to be creative when squeezing in new rides. So, again, nobody is arguing that new rides aren't possible. But Cedar Point does not have a ton of room like it is being implied here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invertalon Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) For those who were curious about the Midnight Syndicate show during HalloWeekends that perhaps did not have the chance to see it, I have a full-length video of the show. This was recorded over the course of four different shows from multiple angles and such, with permission of course from both Cedar Point and Midnight Syndicate. Little did we all know at the time it would be the last show ever to take place in the Good Time Theater. For those who want to check it out... edit: Video removed at this time. Will repost later on when I can! Edited February 10, 2015 by Invertalon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicman Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 What they could do if they ran out of room for a new coaster, build it underground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickstroberg Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 ^thats not as easy as rct would have us all believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWAddington Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 For those who were curious about the Midnight Syndicate show during HalloWeekends that perhaps did not have the chance to see it, I have a full-length video of the show. This was recorded over the course of four different shows from multiple angles and such, with permission of course from both Cedar Point and Midnight Syndicate. Little did we all know at the time it would be the last show ever to take place in the Good Time Theater. For those who want to check it out... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VisXM9lyIVM Wow! Great Job! We loved this show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnumFreak25 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 On a peninsula? Surrounded by water? No more room? Hmm, can't think of another situation like that... Cedar Point could easily build another 10 large coasters without running out of space. I remember when Millennium Force opened some people said they were out of space. But they sure did find space for Dragster, Maverick, Gatekeeper, Wicked Twister, Maxair, Skyhawk, Shoot the Rapids, Lighthouse Point, etc... just remove some old rides, move around some existing rides, squeeze things in, or build on top of things. Easy. How much of the surrounding water can they build on anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christianscoasters Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Fun fact, since we're talking about the size of the park: It is exactly one mile from the front gate of the park to the entrance of Mean Streak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithPlus1 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 What if they made a B&M hyper/giga called ParkingLotKeeper? LMAO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 What if they made a B&M hyper/giga called ParkingLotKeeper? Best. Name. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 parking lot hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project? Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Top thrill parking space, parking lot seeker, millennium park…... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 There's always space if you are willing to squuze things in. But for a huge park like Cedar Point, stations and queue area might be a real problem. Millennium Force's supports are far apart, it would be easy put another coaster or two between them. Dinosaur Alive can hold a Roar-O-Saurus clone with double station and slightly longer trains. The warehouse between Mean Streak and Gemini can go to the camping area for another coaster. Either tear down Mean Streak for another coaster or add another compact coaster on the giant space in the triangle. Hotel Brakers' parking lot can be changed to underground parking lot or something like Disneyland's for a big new attraction. A giant flying coaster can be added above Shoot the Rapids. And like ImNotOneOfYou mentioned, ParkingLotKeeper is another solution. I know nothing about if CP's ground can handle the pressure of huge rides at those areas but these are just ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterkyle Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 The only thing wrong with the under ground parking is the water table is really high and the cost would be more the what it would be worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Move soak city by Breakers express Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G$ Kurt Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Moving soak city off point and away from two of your larger hotels and a campground just to put it next to their smallest hotel would certainly kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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