prozach626 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Yep! I'm still holding out for pierogi to make my first trip, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT325 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Wow. See, cool things happen sometimes. It doesn't hurt to speak up and kindly tell parks what you like (or sign a petition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBrylczyk Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/24/2020 at 12:13 PM, SharkTums said: Pretty sure it's Chimera from Chapultepec Park in Mexico City! Who would have ever guessed that a park that was super closed and bankrupt would reopen, and save a coaster we all assumed was doomed!!!! 2020 baby! Damn the way it just rips through the course barely losing any steam is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I've never been one to go all gaga over Anton, but I enjoyed this coaster. And the Polyp fits in nicely with the park's classic vibe. These two rides are choices by the new owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRice92 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I haven't visited Indiana Beach before, and since coming back from the dead its been on my radar. Now with this new to them coaster coming, Indiana Beach is on my radar to visit in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanthonyam Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Alpina Bahn got nice new trains. Will Drier looping get the same for Indiana Beach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I am curious to know just how much extra investment will be needed to get the ride up to ASTM standards...going to guess the neglect didn’t end with the trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Funny enough I was just watching a video of Alpina Bahn the other day and thought the trains looked different... Sure enough, they are! Looks like Gerstlauer, good for them for keeping the business going. I think that's the fourth time now they've done that? Sooperdooperlooper, Psyke Underground, Lisebergbanan, and now that. On 11/25/2020 at 7:21 PM, KBrylczyk said: Damn the way it just rips through the course barely losing any steam is incredible. That's because apparently the coaster was running with the mid-course brakes completely off while it was at La Feria, which from my understanding is not how the ride was designed to operate. 9 hours ago, Jew said: I am curious to know just how much extra investment will be needed to get the ride up to ASTM standards...going to guess the neglect didn’t end with the trains. I think it's going to take a lot. In addition to apparent cracks and structural issues found throughout the ride from before the accident, you also have the damage that was done from the derailed car. If you watch videos from before the accident (after the repaint with the red loops) you can see just how much the first loop was swaying back and forth. I'm also curious how it's going to work. Maybe they'll have Premier do it and put new Gerstlauer trains on it afterward... The one saving grace is that the coaster is meant to be taken apart, so it's easier to deal with individual sections of track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenturyFlyer Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Indiana Beach 2020 ornament I can't even! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyislandchris Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, CenturyFlyer said: Indiana Beach 2020 ornament... I can't even! Hey, who'd have thought that the friggin' crow of all things would be more masked up than the patrons and employees? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovethesink Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I get why my fellow enthusiasts are excited about this. Don't get me wrong it is definitely cool and I want to ride it, but I think this is actually a bad investment. Chimera does have a bit of a mythical reputation, but only among the most hardcore of enthusiasts so the marketing value of its time at La Feria is basically 0. If we take that away, they are left with an old and as it currently stands dangerous looping coaster from a defunct manufacturer. This thing is going to be extremely expensive to get up to code. It isn't like a woodie where you can just replace boards and beams. Even after refurbishing it, maintaining it long term is going to be much more expensive than a traditional steel coaster too as parts for defunct manufacturers are not as easily available. This is why all the old Arrow loopers are slowly being pulled out. I am reasonably confident that even in 2020 a rollercoaster in the US is going to be allowed to run in dangerous condition, so I don't think this is actually a significant risk, but we do have to talk about the last possibility. Can you imagine how much damage it would do from the park if the tiny possibility of something going wrong with it actually happens and someone gets hurt? The coverage of a park buying a rollercoaster on the cheap that had killed someone in Mexico and failed every single safety inspection afterwards and then having someone get hurt on it here would be potentially park killing. The risk here is astronomical and the reward is minimal. Chimera is not going to draw big crowds. Nor are enthusiasts going to rave about it over time after the novelty wore off. Part of the reason it fell apart in Mexico is that they shut the midcourse off, if I understand the story correctly. Indiana Beach isn't going to be able to do that and it will be at least somewhat neutered. I see this move as an attempt to up their coaster count on the cheap while throwing a bone to the enthusiast community that has really embraced the new ownership in the short term. In that sense, it is a nice move. I just don't think they are going to see a lot of return here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 It wouldn't be neutered by turning the brakes back on, it would be back to running as intended. As for the parts argument, Gerstlauer continues to support the operation of legacy Schwarzkopf coasters, with new trains and braking systems at the least. They've been busy as late as last year, when they put new reproduction trains on Lisebergbanan and Alpina Bahn, a traveling coaster of similar vintage. The structural / refurbishment argument I'll give you. The damage from the accident, inadequate maintenance, and years of high-stress operation may actually put the ride in a condition beyond repair. But I don't think any park would have went for it without a plan, or without a confirmation from someone reputable that the ride is salvageable and can be safely repaired. I'll stay optimistic for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlaKoaster Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Also don't forget as a transportable coaster, very little groundwork will be required, and the construction is likely to be very fast (and therefore cheap). I think it's more marketable than a lot of options they can afford/could have gone for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I do not see why a company like Gerstlauer couldn't recreate some track sections or support beams as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 5 hours ago, abovethesink said: I see this move as an attempt to up their coaster count on the cheap while throwing a bone to the enthusiast community I don't think this park gives a shit about the enthusiast community, because they can't afford to right now. I think Indiana Beach is trying to establish its identity as a quirky and fun park, with a focus on nostalgia. This coaster will fit right in. A larger newer attraction might look as out of place as Impulse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanthonyam Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I'm not sure what abovethesink is talking about... Why the hell would the new owner buy this ride without thinking about all of that already?? There are plenty of Schwarzkopfs still running fine. Look at the one at Lagoon. Its running fine. The Scorpion at Busch Gardens?? It's even older. So where are they getting parts from?? From someone apparently since they are all running great and have been for years. Do you really think IB would buy this ride without consulting a manufacturer to see if its saveable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Zo Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 And if we're going to frame this discussion as an issue of "investment" or finance, Quimera is an old, portable, compact coaster, in less-than-perfect condition, from a park that no longer exists. Indiana Beach is probably picking it up for pennies on the dollar, even if it's going to require some refurb work. They get to add something thrilling at what I can only assume is a low financial risk. IB is exactly the kind of park that should be looking for this kind of opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Without a doubt, someone (presumably the ride broker) was able to provide some sort of engineering report on the ride before it was sold. It’s also safe to assume that Indiana Beach is aware of the estimated costs to properly refurbish it. That being said, we can only hope that report was extensive and accurate given the park it came from. I don’t think it is a stretch to think that there might be issues with the accuracy of any documentation provided by the now former operators of the park... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklap77 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I think IB is doing it right. Perfect addition. They probably got it for really cheap and will make it like new. Not much groud prep since it is a portable coaster. So they will end up having an awesome and thrilling coaster in as new condition for a low investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Don't a lot of used ride sellers refurb the rides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalJasonland Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 3 hours ago, grsupercity said: Don't a lot of used ride sellers refurb the rides? While I am sure there are places that fix up rides, Ital Inc and Rides4u ride brokers appear to sell stuff in an "as is" condition. I would guess that ride brokers don't take possession of the ride and just list it for people and negotiate the sale. The previous ride owner stores the ride until it sells and transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreaminNewEngland Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Zero-G, the parks Larson looper, has officially been removed from the park. Did I hear somewhere that falling star is going too? If so that leaves three big flat pads empty... I could see polyp going into zero-Gs old location. The old tornado by the double shot will probably be utilized for water park expansion eventually. Which leaves falling star...can anyone confirm if this ride is also getting the axe? If so that’s pretty sad, those are a rare find these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 At least the loss of one coaster comes with an upgraded replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanthonyam Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I have not heard anything confirmed about Falling Star leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 11 hours ago, tanthonyam said: I have not heard anything confirmed about Falling Star leaving. Falling Stars are easily one of my favorite flats. Most parks have gotten ride of them so I would assume they are pricey to maintain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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