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Imagine a world where people are concerned about getting a 285-ft B&M

I think also based on my understanding of those plans the scale is way off, showing a station that's like 25 feet long or something. So it's most likely still going to be a Giga and the armchair math is just wrong. However, the general concern is that if the layout leak is legit, it's won't be as long or complex as people are hoping.

 

I still think a lot of this could be complete red herrings. We know absolutely nothing about those "leaks." Plus, as others have said, those top-down images don't do justice to what the ride will actually be like.

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You already have enough of the general public (and even some enthusiasts), who find it weird to have Leviathan and Fury in the same parks as Behemoth, and Intimidator.....

You do? I, personally, have not ran into anyone at carowinds who feels like that. I have ran into people who prefer one over the other and they both seem to keep a line so I don't think as many people as you think find it weird and virtually everyone is glad that they both are in the same park as they offer two totally different experiences.

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If 15' will make or break a new coaster for you in a park packed with great rides it may be time to take a break from this hobby.

 

Or if you're disappointed in a ride before the first footer is even poured. It may be time to start knitting or something.

 

Now I'm kinda hoping it is JUST 285' tall. Then in 10 years KI can add a true 300'+ B&M Giga just to watch enthusiasts minds explode.

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This thing isn't stopping at 285 feet. It's going to be within the giga classification. CF/KI wants to be able to market this roller coaster as 300 feet, or at the very least the drop will be 300 feet.

 

I could never imagine being upset with a Giga even if it dropped right into the brakes.

Yeah... That's a little excessive.

 

Also, a top-down view of a coaster's layout hardly does it justice. Any coaster's layout (especially hypers/gigas) look uninteresting from that view.

After you said that I looked at a lot of top-down views of other hypers/gigas and you're right.

 

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You already have enough of the general public who find it weird to have Leviathan and Fury in the same parks as Behemoth, and Intimidator.

GP? Nah. Even very few enthusiasts thought it was weird to have those combinations in the park after the first week Leviathan was open and the reviews came out. I also don't hear anyone who visits Holiday World who are puzzled because there are three similarly constructed wooden coasters in the park with different layouts. This will work.

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Imagine a world where people are concerned about getting a 285-ft B&M

I think also based on my understanding of those plans the scale is way off, showing a station that's like 25 feet long or something. So it's most likely still going to be a Giga and the armchair math is just wrong. However, the general concern is that if the layout leak is legit, it's won't be as long or complex as people are hoping.

 

I still think a lot of this could be complete red herrings. We know absolutely nothing about those "leaks." Plus, as others have said, those top-down images don't do justice to what the ride will actually be like.

 

I think that discrepancy has already been accounted for. The lift according to the scale used on the sheet shouldn't even be 200ft tall and in fact maybe pushes 150. Someone measured a footer and found it to be off by a factor of 2, putting the lift right about where people think it is now at 285-300ft.

 

Ask yourself... When was the last time professional GA drawings were leaked and were *NOT* real?

 

Exactly…

 

Don’t buy into the conspiracy theories. Those drawings are the real.

 

The drawings with just the footers on them are from the Mason city hall and are 100% real, but apparently flawed as I just mentioned above. The layout drawings were "accidentally" leaked by some guy on KIC who supposedly violated an NDA and ended up causing a lot of drama on there. I had personally bought into the idea that they were a fake leak, but given the level of detail in the drawing I have to agree with you. I highly doubt they're faked.

 

GP? Nah. Even very few enthusiasts thought it was weird to have those combinations in the park after the first week Leviathan was open and the reviews came out. I also don't hear anyone who visits Holiday World who are puzzled because there are three similarly constructed wooden coasters in the park with different layouts. This will work.

 

They'll certainly notice and will definitely think it's weird at first. Give the GP some credit. Will they hate the old hyper because of the new giga? No. Will they skip out on the giga because they've already ridden the hyper? No. They'll like both of them still because they're both good rides. They'll end up picking their favorite of the two because they're very different rides. Of course it'll work, but you can bet your bottom dollar a good percentage of them will think its weird.

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My math says the lift is just about 300, could easily be a few feet off so its possible its like 310. But either way there is a small slope in front of the lift. I think that slope is where the records will come from and the drop is likely around 330, might hit 340 feet, could even give it a higher top speed then Fury.

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My math says the lift is just about 300, could easily be a few feet off so its possible its like 310. But either way there is a small slope in front of the lift. I think that slope is where the records will come from and the drop is likely around 330, might hit 340 feet, could even give it a higher top speed then Fury.

 

I'm not sure that everyone's so sure about the drop being bigger than the lift. The pictures I've seen of the land clearing make it look pretty flat to me, and I recall someone on KIC pointing out that there's actually a 10ft elevation gain between the station and where the bottom of the first drop is thought to be. I'm not going to say they're NOT going to break records; they certainly could (adding a tunnel, a big 2nd drop, etc), but I wouldn't get my hopes up. We're not going to know that kind of thing until announcement time anyway.

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According to trig the lift is only 285 feet tall. It’s a giga style coaster and not even a real giga. The document was filed with the city so they could start construction soon, so it pretty much has to be real.

Everyone is freaking out about this, but did we remember to add the 10-15 feet off the ground the lift it will start at just like Fury 325? It has no pre-lift section, just a transfer by the blueprints like Fury, and if nearly every B&M can be evidence enough, the station is going to have a platform height of ~15 ft alone.

 

Give a couple feet for error in all our estimates plus the terrain and I’d say we’re looking at 300ft here still and no less.

 

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Just a question out of interest. I could imagine that there were more than one possible layout for the same cleared and they have made more than one blueprint, maybe because some sort of a decision to be made by the city council. And this leaked obe is one of them. Maybe it's the final one.

 

Another thing I thought: Maybe the track in the plant wasn't for KI, the blueprints were the right ones and we're not looking a a trditional sit down coaster here, so it doesn't matter for record purposes to hit the 300 foot mark? If (!) it would be a 285 foot, non inverting WIng Coaster (remember, if!), the short overall length, would make sense. You could theme it to a flying creature hunting the beast, though.

 

I don't think any of this might be the most likely possibility, but I want to point out that we don't know everything about this coaster yet and there will come some informations that will make the puzzle pieces fit.

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This is so silly of an argument. Cedar Fair already has two other parks with paired B&M coasters of 200/300 ft with a clear history of success in drawing guests. There's no reason to assume that the people going to Kings Island are going to be concerned with this because they're extra smart. I mean, if that was true, why are they living in Dayton/Cinci/Northern Kentucky to begin with?

 

I kid, I kid. (Maybe.)

 

Also: Yeah, it isn't going to be as intense as I305. I'm gonna go on record and say that's a conscious decision from everyone in part because I305 isn't a popular attraction with the general public and doesn't even have universal appeal among enthusiasts.

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Another thing I thought: Maybe the track in the plant wasn't for KI, the blueprints were the right ones and we're not looking a a trditional sit down coaster here, so it doesn't matter for record purposes to hit the 300 foot mark? If (!) it would be a 285 foot, non inverting WIng Coaster (remember, if!), the short overall length, would make sense. You could theme it to a flying creature hunting the beast, though.

 

 

That's a possibility I've been thinking too, but the main problem I see with that is that we'd have to see some other park out of nowhere announce a new B&M hyper or giga in order for that track to be headed somewhere besides KI. Obviously the Hershey track has already been identified so it can't be for that, and those other two B&M hypers are almost completely built. And then, IIRC CGA's rumored hyper was supposedly cancelled?

 

But as you said, wing coaster probably isn't all that likely, but it would explain the short layout if that was the case.

 

Fortunately, overhead layouts don't do true justice, so I'm actually really liking what I see from the NL2 recreation...

 

And I for one am definitely hoping for a Millennium Force blue track - not that baby/sky blue they've been pushing with Gatekeeper, Leviathan, and Fury (sort of).

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Fairly busy at the park today. Missed a Mystic Timbers lift hill evac by a couple minutes. Dang it. Otherwise, good time today.

 

Also, rode Woodstock. They stopped us at the top of the lift hill. Employees walks up the hill and gets a cell phone from guy in the front row. Security was waiting at the exit when we returned. Think they just scolded him a bit. They should have booted him. Ride OP even told him to put it away right before we left the station. Multiple kids crying as we sat on top of the hill waiting.

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it would be a 285 foot, non inverting WIng Coaster (remember, if!), the short overall length, would make sense.

I am no engineer but I don't know if the stress of the forces would be suitable for a wing coaster car.

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it would be a 285 foot, non inverting WIng Coaster (remember, if!), the short overall length, would make sense.

I am no engineer but I don't know if the stress of the forces would be suitable for a wing coaster car.

 

The stress on a wing coaster train has nothing to do with the height or drop of the ride the train is mounted on. It's all in the design of the ride itself. You can design a 400ft coaster that puts less stress on the train than a 100ft ride if you so desire.

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it would be a 285 foot, non inverting WIng Coaster (remember, if!), the short overall length, would make sense.

I am no engineer but I don't know if the stress of the forces would be suitable for a wing coaster car.

 

The stress on a wing coaster train has nothing to do with the height or drop of the ride the train is mounted on. It's all in the design of the ride itself. You can design a 400ft coaster that puts less stress on the train than a 100ft ride if you so desire.

Ok, i'll update . . . without it having a long, drawn out layout to reduce the forces.

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Fairly busy at the park today. Missed a Mystic Timbers lift hill evac by a couple minutes. Dang it. Otherwise, good time today.

 

Also, rode Woodstock. They stopped us at the top of the lift hill. Employees walks up the hill and gets a cell phone from guy in the front row. Security was waiting at the exit when we returned. Think they just scolded him a bit. They should have booted him. Ride OP even told him to put it away right before we left the station. Multiple kids crying as we sat on top of the hill waiting.

 

The park is implementing a new policy on cell phones now. The big 3 coasters now have signs like this in front of their stations (Mystic, Diamondback and Banshee). The new policy is exactly how it was stated above about what happens if someone does not put their phone away.

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I'm expecting measures to increase in all parks and chains over the next several years. Except for maybe Knoebels... I know there are exceptions where phones accidentally fell from pockets which were believed to be secured, but this is another prime example of a few people ruining things for everyone.

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I think the enforcement of these policies is hit or miss though as I noticed yesterday at Kings Dominion while the whole metal detection policy is going strong none of the ride ops actually seemed to enforce the policy they just took the cards and went on with things people still had loose articles in pockets and such, and this was consistent, while the way loose articles are handled is changing in the industry I do believe there are still many kinks to be worked out.

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