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You can, but why would you want to? A straight drop is very likely more thrilling to most people, especially if that drop is near vertical.

 

A straight drop that you creep towards slowly, that you can see coming from a mile away? After already getting to do that once, only it was bigger and better the first time? Double downs are great because suddenly you're feeling airtime when you're not expecting to. Surprises are what makes rides fun.

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Maybe CP should have ordered an exact clone of Oblivion at Alton Towers instead. Then everyone would be happy, right? I don't think I've witnessed so much nit picking and complaining over a coaster addition in my life.

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Maybe CP should have ordered an exact clone of Oblivion at Alton Towers instead. Then everyone would be happy, right? I don't think I've witnessed so much nit picking and complaining over a coaster addition in my life.

 

If it isn't "my pipe-dream Roller Coaster 1", then expect endless b*tching from entitled enthusiasts who have a degree in NoLimits and clearly have the know-how in designing and building a $15 million+ ride.

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You can, but why would you want to? A straight drop is very likely more thrilling to most people, especially if that drop is near vertical.

 

A straight drop that you creep towards slowly, that you can see coming from a mile away? After already getting to do that once, only it was bigger and better the first time? Double downs are great because suddenly you're feeling airtime when you're not expecting to. Surprises are what makes rides fun.

 

Yes, because the anticipation is still there. You are thinking of rides from a very narrow perspective. Try making the ride thrilling for as many people as possible.

 

And you already glossed over the design from a stop, allow for velocity statement. A dive coaster will have wildly varying speed approaching the midcourse. As a designer, you want to eliminate/control as many variables as possible.

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And you already glossed over the design from a stop, allow for velocity statement. A dive coaster will have wildly varying speed approaching the midcourse. As a designer, you want to eliminate/control as many variables as possible.

 

What makes dive coasters different in this regard from every other ride that doesn't completely stop at the MCBR?

 

Maybe CP should have ordered an exact clone of Oblivion at Alton Towers instead. Then everyone would be happy, right? I don't think I've witnessed so much nit picking and complaining over a coaster addition in my life.

 

If it isn't "my pipe-dream Roller Coaster 1", then expect endless b*tching from entitled enthusiasts who have a degree in NoLimits and clearly have the know-how in designing and building a $15 million+ ride.

 

People seem to be taking this rather personally. Does someone here work for B&M or something?

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And you already glossed over the design from a stop, allow for velocity statement. A dive coaster will have wildly varying speed approaching the midcourse. As a designer, you want to eliminate/control as many variables as possible.

 

What makes dive coasters different in this regard from every other ride that doesn't completely stop at the MCBR?

Wow factor. Every single one of my GP friends says wow when they saw it holds you at the edge for a few seconds and drops you.

 

Now after that, you get a second drop that is close to vertical. Pretty sure GP would love it.

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What makes dive coasters different in this regard from every other ride that doesn't completely stop at the MCBR??

 

Better airtime than you'll find on probably any other B&M coaster (Nitro is the best non-dive B&M coaster I've experienced airtime-wise). The drops on Sheikra are great, even the second one, and Valravn's drops are taller...so essentially that's more great airtime.

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The most annoying people on the Internet are people that take valid criticisms personally. Who cares if someone doesn't like Valravn? It's not "entitled" to say "this ride would be better had it been a little taller" or "this ride should have had a splashdown", it's just their opinions. Sure, it's a little stupid to judge a ride before it's built, but how many people get away with saying "This ride will be the best dive coaster in the world! CP RULES!"

 

I can't make a single valid criticism about a ride (color, theming, stats, trains, manufacturer, etc.) anymore without the Butthurt Fanboy Patrol telling me I'm entitled for giving my opinion on how a park could have made a ride better. Cause today, if I say something like "I wish CP didn't choose to paint the ride brown," people automatically assume that I think this is the biggest abomination to the theme park industry since Superstar Limo, and that every fan of the ride should be executed on site. Sometimes I laterally think some enthusiast have found a way to enter into a committed relationship with some of these coasters, cause you defend them like they are your lawfully wedded wife.

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Once again, Valleyfair would gladly take Valravn, dive after extremely tall MCBR and all, and you can go back to waiting for your boat. Okay?

 

 

I'll gladly take Valravn at my home park too, considering everyone is b*tching that it's going to suck and the boat is the most kick ass, orgasmic attraction ever.

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God this thread...

 

 

 

I can't believe how I'm reading pages of people bitching about receiving the world's tallest, fastest Dive Machine. Want to trade? I'll take a B&M Dive anyday at Great Adventure. Easily B&M's second best design behind Inverts IMO.

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^^I apologize that I'm not obsessed with every little move that they make on this coaster. If I was, I would just watch the webcam. I couldn't care less about a boat in the dock and am sick of people complaining when my home park hasn't received a big coaster in 17 years now. If people don't like it, they don't have to ride and it will make the line shorter for me when I'm enjoying it.

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Yea I'm probably going to stay off this thread for a while. I'll come back when the boat comes back...

 

I'm with you on this!!

 

Once again, Valleyfair would gladly take Valravn, dive after extremely tall MCBR and all, and you can go back to waiting for your boat. Okay?

 

I'll gladly wait for the boat to return. At least the boat doesn't bitch about everything little thing.

Once again, Valleyfair would gladly take Valravn, dive after extremely tall MCBR and all, and you can go back to waiting for your boat. Okay?

 

 

I'll gladly take Valravn at my home park too, considering everyone is b*tching that it's going to suck and the boat is the most kick A$$, orgasmic attraction ever.

 

The boat doesn't like you. Leave the boat out of this.

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I just filter out the annoying trolls and find the funny posts and photo updates. I like this thread most of the time. There was another thread, I believe it was SFGADV, where they were complaining about there not being a webcam or enough pics. I think that Kid with the pink floyd avatar should go there more often. He won't have to worry about that many pictures.

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How tall is the MCBR on Griffon and Sheikra?

 

I know a few pages ago, people were discussing the tallest break runs on a coaster, but nobody mentioned the other dives.

 

well its a 130ft drop after the brake run so its probably about the same

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I'm not even a roller coaster designer.

Good, let's keep it that way.

 

 

Did I just read that someone wanted a double down on a dive machine?

 

And why couldn't you have a double down on a dive machine? Explain this to me.

 

Because it's B&M and it wouldn't deliver any airtime whatsoever?

 

Made me laugh, a bit too much.

 

How tall is the MCBR on Griffon and Sheikra?

 

I know a few pages ago, people were discussing the tallest break runs on a coaster, but nobody mentioned the other dives.

 

well its a 130ft drop after the brake run so its probably about the same

 

It's probably 140 ft +- 5 ft, or else it would crash into the ground.

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