Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[apollo210]

Remember on that Supercoasters show. Well it looked like they were designing a curvy coaster that was red when the showed Stengel at the computer designing a coaster. Could that be it?

[Olsor]

That was Expedition Ge-Force on the computer. Designers would be careful not to show future designs during an interview.

[Ultimate Coaster]

Hmmm, never heard that quote before, but if he's so against gimmicks, then why a stand up? Why a suspended ride? Why a racing coaster? They're all gimmicks.

 

Read the quote again.

 

I read how "Kinzel considers inversions to be gimmicky in nature"

 

I read this in an issue of ACE's Rollercoaster! magazine, in part I of the B&M history. It was stated that the stand-up and inverted concept from B&M blew Kinzel away, and thus he ordered those attractions.

 

Anyone who is in ACE and recieves at this magazine can vouch for me. I kid you not. If you guys would like, I will scan it into my computer and post it (if that is allowed by copyright.....Robb?).

 

Really. If he's so against gimmicks what the heck is TTD?

 

Read my quote again. Does TTD have inversions? No. Obviously Kinzel does not consider TTD's ride style to be a gimmick as much as he considers inversions to be.

 

ya, basically anything can be considered a gimmic on a roller coaster.

 

Exactly. Kinzel was very specific in the inversions are gimmicks statement, I don't see why that's so hard to understand around here.

 

If it was going to be an aquatrax you would think they would use the water pond for the plash down, rather than what appears to be a double helix.

 

But maybe its easier to make a brand new area for the splash, or splashes.

 

The AquaTrax doesn't actually splash down. It has troughs with water jets that shoot at the side of the train, but there is no actual splashdown area - thus why you wouldn't see such an area built into a lake (not that they would built it in the lake anyways).

 

There is, however, an abundance of fairly straight footers.....perfect for, say, a trough:

 

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1646.htm?picture=20

 

The footers that hold that up are single and straight.

 

Bright red track does seem weird for a water ride also.

 

But what if I mentioned that this could be a variation of the AquaTrax? One that doesn't focus as much on water, but utilizes the AquaTrax vehicles and launch system?

 

For example, think of a car shaped like a wild horse (a "Maverick") - and you ride on saddles on the back of the horse (the AquaTrax has saddle-style seating).

[Tmcdllr]

I speculate it is a wingwalker. The obvious clues lead me to believe this.

[Beber]

Supports spotted ! Grey/White. New pieces of tracks, with sort of twist !

 

http://pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=4033

[Reon]

Hmmm. The scheme is almost identical to Stormrunner. Deffinately an indication that this coaster will take a similar direction (lots of inversions and twists.) I'm with you guys on the wingwalker theory, since Intamin doesn't do any other types of LIM/LSM coasters (aside from reverse freefall)

[Electerik]

I'm with you guys on the wingwalker theory, since Intamin doesn't do any other types of LIM/LSM coasters (aside from reverse freefall)

 

Intamin (more than perhaps any other ride manufacturer) will build anything you want.

 

"I want it to be 800 feet high and made of cheese--but I don't want to spend a lot of money. Oh yeah, and it has to transmute lead to gold."

 

"Yes, we can do that for you."

 

I'm just saying....

[Beber]

That is a new CP piece of track

And that is a crokscrew on a Intamin ride

 

Very similar, isn't it? If you look at the support junction on the piece, it is at the same "place" on the two piece. Have you understood me?

Now I think there will be a crokscrew. And I can't imagine an aquatrax with that kind of element. So, two options : looper, or wingwalker.

 

Let's look supports.

Here's one, with his friends.

I think they will be the helix support's, over the water. That supports don't look very tall, so the ride will be very near of the ground. With a wing walker, riders are on each side of the track. If the ride is to near of the ground, there will be a problem : riders will be on the water (on the CP track).

So that make me think the wing walker assumption is impossible, and it can just be a looper.

 

But that's my opinion, I may be wrong (and I hope i'm wrong, I want to see a wing walker at CP !).

 

Edit: The supports of the helix in the video of the PortAvenura coaster are as tall as the supports at CP. So it is possible! And they are the same color!

[ECZenith]

Reon, I wouldn't assume the ride is going to be like Storm Runner just because it has a similar color scheme.

 

Very cool that supports have shown up, they're starting this thing so early!

[Ultimate Coaster]

That is a new CP piece of track

And that is a crokscrew on a Intamin ride

 

Very similar, isn't it? If you look at the support junction on the piece, it is at the same "place" on the two piece. Have you understood me?

Now I think there will be a crokscrew. And I can't imagine an aquatrax with that kind of element. So, two options : looper, or wingwalker.

 

That's a ridiculous statement. That piece is also similar to this:

 

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=59

 

This:

 

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=54

 

This:

 

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=42

 

And then you make the assumption that because of a single track piece that you think LOOKS like an inversion, that you can rule out something that fits the bill so well as an Aquatrax?

 

Just a question for everyone still thinking it is hydraulically launched - where's the foundation for the winch house used to store the motor?

[raptorcrew2002]

I doubt this will be the wing walker. Those short supports, and granted lack of gauging the size of the supports from a photo, they seem so small in dia. for such a load to support.

 

The wing walker would like X, be a very heavy train with wide reach, and if this is a wing walker, wicked twisted all over again, I would give 1 month before you see them welding metal supports to the structure. Also some of the supports in those photos with the angles and short travel unless used on tall footers would not clear an over hang train design.

 

I still think we might get 2 rides next year, 1 coaster, and 1 possible water ride to replace WWL.

 

But until something really stands out, only thing for sure now, it's def. a looper. Can't wait for 08.

 

Cheers!

Rap, Mantis 02 crew..

[Skramp]

Talked to a friend who is/has been a ride-op at CP for 7 years. He said that it will be something that has never been seen before. Basically it's an AquaTrax, but here's the thing, it 's going to have a LOOP!!! I didn't get all the specs, but basically lots of themeing then a big drop into a loop which follows into a splashdown pool out of the loop!!! Not sure about the themeing, he said the sidewinding may have something to do with snakes, keeping with their animal theme (Raptor, Mantis) Might be something like Venom or Mamba or something. From what he told me, sounds incredible and one of a kind!!!

[dougstanton]

Aquatrax has already been seen before...

[Milkchan]

This a video of the track and what these two people thing of the track pieces.

[methylene]

Pointbuzz has new pictures of the staging area including tan-grey support pieces and new track pieces in what appears to be an inline twist.

 

Matt

[ECZenith]

Very cool, definately the first undeniable evidence of an inversion.

 

Just a quick note... Previously, I've called the Intamin protype that Aventura is getting a "Wing Walker" the actual translation is more like "Wind Rider" or "Wind Walker" which would make sense with the "winds of change clue"...

[dragsterfan420]

I think that their is going to be more track and this is not all of it. but for all you idiots who think its going to be 500 feet tall guess again because I spoke with Dick Kinzel personally and he said that he would never build a coster like Dragster or even taller than Dragster again unless it worked everywith minor setbacks. No breakdowns almost every day!

 

But I still cant wait to see what roller coaster the turn out.

 

CEDAR POINT RULES!

 

-Kyle-

[Blue0ctane]

Off-topic, but Sean's was post #666 in this thread.

[dragsterfan420]

blu0ctane were you talking to me?

[CP_RULES]

^Sean would be ECZenith.

[ECZenith]

OoOoOo... evil.

 

[kennywood!007]

Bum bum bum! We have evil doers on this thread!

[Ultimate Coaster]

But until something really stands out, only thing for sure now, it's def. a looper. Can't wait for 08.

 

And how did we come to this conclusion?

 

Very cool, definately the first undeniable evidence of an inversion.

 

How so?

 

This ride won't have an inversion. Have you all not noticed how tight the track footers are? Naturally this thing is going to have some steeply banked turns and tight transitions from one turn to another. I love how people get this idea stuck in their about something, and then refuse to see another point of view of it.

 

On a ride this small, an inline twist would be made out of dual-rail track, not tri-rail track.

 

Also, real Intamin inline twists are MUCH more pronounced than the sharp transition you see here.

 

Please take notice:

 

http://www.rcdb.com/ig2498.htm?picture=20

 

Note how pronounced that barrel roll is.

 

The track pieces you all think are "inline twists" really look more like this:

 

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=54

 

Hmm - oddly enough, that's the same "banked drop into an opposite direction banked turn" that the footers suggest! Whoa! A LOGICAL answer!

 

I really don't mean to be a bitch here, but some of you really need to start researching these track pieces instead of seeing banked track and shouting "INVERSION! INVERSION!"

[CD]

This ride won't have an inversion.

 

How do you know?

 

Nobody that is not high up in the CP chain knows for sure what is really going into the old WWL site. So don't be so rude about other peoples beliefs and then do pretty much the same thing. Making a conclusion without GOOD evidence.

[Eunuch Provocateur]

Can we safely eliminate rocket coaster? Hehe.