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Agreed. What's throwing me off is the 6" comment. It doesn't surprise me that he says it's totally different than SheiKra - after all, it has to be. It's a completely different style of coaster that presents its own challenges. As much information as you were trying to get out of him, it seemed like he was still giving "GP-ized" answers, to an extent, as he would be expected to. I suppose there must be some sort of generated effect, given the position of the train in relation to the crowd. Unless you're going to put some elaborate piping on the train to pump water up and over it (which really doesn't make sense from a number of perspectives), there doesn't seem to be a way to direct the splash towards people. However, I also seem to remember something being said about how there won't be a "splash" area like SheiKra has...perhaps I'm thinking of something else though. Either way, I think apart from the fact that we know it's almost certainly going to dip the zero-car into the water, I think we should stay away from speaking of any other details about the splash as "confirmed."

As far as I understand, the director was mentioning multiple things that were at times contradictory or strangely worded. I assume you met with him on the day that people were taking video interviews? He was never quite clear on the water splashdown effect. The entire interview is posted online, and I've spoken to a couple of people that were also there with you. I'm not saying you're wrong or right, simply that the information given to you on that day should be taken with a grain of salt because of the odd way Brian was wording things.

^The wing of the zero-car will dip into the water. It will not be simulated.

Um, what? Are we looking at the same layout? I don't see any part of this ride that you spend time on your back, except for the inversions...and there's already multiple inline twists, pretzel loops, and a wingover on flyers in the U.S. Anyways...anyone else realize this? Four inversions...? I only count three - the pretzel loop, inline twist, and wingover. Where's the fourth...? Surely they don't count the pretzel loop as two...

200+ ft. is still "big." "Big" doesn't have to mean 300 ft.

Hoorah. 300 ft.? I highly doubt it. Some of you are reading alot into this "Big" thing. I would be shocked if we see anything over 250 ft., and I give it that much window ONLY because SoB is over 200 ft. as well. I'll eat a shoe and post the video on here if this thing is over 300 ft. Remember, this is the company that thinks a "Behemoth" is 230 ft. tall.

I think the Beast has such a large cult-following that any major rehab of it that would involve a large change in the overall ride experience is pretty much out of the question at this point. As for the name "Raptor"? No. Just...no. Even Six Flags wouldn't re-use a name after sticking two B:TR clones a little over 200 miles from each other.

^I understand what you're saying about what Paramount did, but the bottom line is that innovation at one time doesn't necessarily translate to quality over time. To be honest, the coaster I look at the MOST for being truly sub-par is the IJ Stunt Track/Coaster whatevers...they truly are, in my view, the worst of their ride type (Premier "Experience-Coasters", whatever you want to call them) - although that's not saying much because I do happen to think Mummy blows alot of coasters out of the water. Anyways, about this new ride...I'm excited for the announcement, but something about it being a B&M Hyper sours it for me. I won't get into the whole "floater airtime sucks" debate, but I really don't see how this is THAT big of a deal...after all, we pretty much know what it is, and the only really new feature is the water splash... I don't know. Perhaps it's got more to do with the fact that KI really, really needed something like this to make it feel like a "complete" park with its collection.

I'm not exactly sure if that's entirely fair. I agree that KI's coaster selection is a bit...lacking...but I think you've gone a bit over the top in attempting to show mediocrity. Racer/Beast to Indiana woodies - Yeah, of course there are better woodies. But how many coasters ANYWHERE can really match up to Indiana's Troika? I think people that complain about the Beast should come over here to SFNE where your selection consists of what is more or less a slightly larger Scooby Doo and a neutered-beyond-belief-yet-still-painful pile of matchsticks. Vortex - Agreed, but you should make mention of parks with both ride types. SFGAdv's GASM/Medusa, for example. I don't think Vortex is necessarily replacable by a B&M looper, it's just that KI has this ride as their MAIN looper - which is the problem. Adventure Express - I agree, this one sucks. Not every park can have a perfect mine train, however, and I can easily name a few other parks that I feel are significantly lacking in this area. Face/Off - C'mon, really? You're comparing this to a B&M Invert? They're different experiences in my view. I don't see this as a downgrade from a B&M Invert - I see it as a major upgrade to the conventional Boomerang that would probably be here otherwise. Top Gun - Again, really? You make it sound like BBW and Eagle Fortresses are just everywhere. I'm happy there's even still Suspended coasters LEFT. Flight of Fear - To be honest, I think this ride is quite good, if they would just let the damned MCBR go. Once again, there are parks that are much worse off. I'd kill to have ANY launched coaster at SFNE. Firehawk - Ugh, please...I'd take Firehawk over S:UF every day, and name me one park with a flyer that looks comparable to Tatsu. I guess what I'm saying is it's a bit unfair to point out the mediocrity of KI's coaster lineup by just giving the absolute BEST examples of every single ride type out there. You can do that with almost any park's coaster lineup, and I would if my post hadn't already exceeded the size of most term papers. Don't get me wrong - is KI's selection a bit lacking when compared to other parks of its size? Of course - but it's not because they don't have the best possible rides of each type - it's just that they've seemingly fallen behind in terms of the rides that are defining today's "best thrills". My apologies for the rant. I just don't like to see parks get unfairly hammered.

Cedar Point is a different case, because there was no direct tie-in with regards to where Maverick was going. Actually, there WAS a small one - what ended up happening to the WWL building...? As was pointed out, if this turns out to be themed around the Beast, it wouldn't be the first time CF have done such a thing. Hydra was created in a similar fashion, and while it IS a different situation - it is worth noting that almost every park has a smaller coaster following up on the name of a larger sibling (i.e. Jr. Gemini/Gemini, Wild Thing/Mild Thing, etc.). Again, I recognize that what I proposed was probably a bit deeper than what will end up happening - but my point was more that there are countless possibilities for a Beast tie-in that would be both fun and beneficial to BOTH rides. After all, if Dorney can use Herc's "popularity" to help fuel Hydra, surely KI could use Beast's to boost whatever this new ride is...?

Very true, but somehow I think the opportunities for Beast tie-ins are a bit too valuable to pass up...at least in some way, shape, or form...

Sorry...don't have access to the full article. I posted what I could because it gave the information requested...

Google is your friend. Circa 2005: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-133209351.html The water park was demolished to make way for homes. I don't know where exactly in the second picture it was located, but it sure as hell was razed. EDIT: Someone beat me to it.

It's pretty clear that he meant it as a joke. Chill out. There's enough of that "Let's pick apart everything someone says to go on self-righteous morality binges" in the U.S. presidential race. It's not necessary here. And for the record... Knoebels has free admission. Nice TR, ms13. Good to hear FT is finally doing something...

Bear with me on the spelling of the spanish words. I don't speak the language. I set out to make a simple post, and it turned out to be much longer than anticipated, so for that I also apologize. I tend to ramble. However, simply because I find it interesting, the word "Mustang" derives from the Spanish word "Mesteno," which itself came from "Mesta" - which is a word that describes a group of herders or stock raisers. "Mesteno" itself was used to describe a stray or wild animal - hence its anglicized form, "Mustang," often describing the same kind of "wild" nature. However, what most people don't know is that in times of herders and stock-raisers - i.e. the "Mesta" - when a "Mesteno" escaped from the herd, a man called a "Mestenaro" was sent to find the wild animal and round it up. In its anglicized form, this man was called a "Mustanger." So what's my point? Perhaps I'm reading too far into the simple sign clues we've been given, but it sounds to me that "Mustang" may have the perfect background (at least from a derivation sense) for a ride that could possibly be themed to "rounding up the Beast." It would also explain not only the "Ride Sally Ride!" signs, but the one referencing "Do not disturb" and the line "The Park Strikes Back in 2009!" at the bottom of each (i.e. the park "strikes back at" and finally "rounds up the Beast" that has been terrorizing it for decades). Such a name and theme would also be perfect for KI - a park that has built much of its reputation (and past ride names and themes, for that matter) on the back of its signature, much-loved and cult-hit wooden coaster. What better theme for their (possibly?) biggest coaster to date than that of a new steel Mustang hero to finally rein in the Beast? The cross-promotional aspects of this theme are mind-boggling, and would allow the park to instantly project their new ride into the hearts of its patrons by tying it in to a ride as much-loved and known as the Beast is. After all, if you thought the BEAST was intense - imagine how mind blowing its captor must be... EDIT: Edited for spelling.

You do know that's a currently-operating ride, right? It's called "Afterburner", and it's in Russia: http://www.rcdb.com/id3408.htm http://www.divo-ostrov.ru/rus/attractions/extreme_zone/forsage/forsage.htm

Question - when those of you claiming "Oh, they only say 14 world class coasters, Deja Vu MUST be on its way out!" - how many of you actually clicked the link that says "Learn More"? I mean, surely if they claim 14 world class coasters, they'd bring you to a page of....14...world...class...coasters...right? So I went ahead and did just that. This list was presented to me (I'm only going to list the coasters): 1. Batman The Ride 2. Superman The Escape 3. The Riddler's Revenge 4. Colossus 5. Deja Vu 6. Goldrusher 7. Goliath 8. Ninja 9. Revolution 10. Scream 11. Tatsu 12. Viper 13. X2 Now let's consider something for a second. What are the two coasters that don't appear on that list? Canyon Blaster and Goliath Jr. Alright - now if I went to the park today, which credits would I be able to get? The 13 I just listed, and Canyon Blaster. Goliath Jr. isn't available to anyone over 54" tall. Coincidentally, I highly doubt that many people under 54" tall that would care enough to actually ride Goliath Jr. is even going to be browsing the Six Flags website. If you were to actually look at the pages of the rides, you would also notice that Six Flags never even uses the words "Roller Coaster" in conjunction with Goliath Jr. - merely calling it a "ride" multiple times. Canyon Blaster's description, by contrast, specifically refers to it as a coaster. Of course, let's not forget the fact that both S:TE and Colossus are twin coasters, or that Dive Devil is a Sky "Coaster". My point is that I don't buy that just because there are suddenly 14 "WORLD CLASS" coasters listed instead of 15, that suddenly means Deja Vu is on its way out. Some of you sit back and present all the circumstantial evidence you want for it - but no one ever sits back and considers other facts that are probably a bit more important and conclusive: 1. Each Six Flags park essentially makes its own business decisions. This notion that so many people have that SF Corporate headquarters makes all the decisions for every park is garbage. Each park makes its own decisions as for what rides to add, based on its own operating budget determined by Coporate based on said park's earnings the previous year. Sometimes some parks are given a bonus to make improvements - which is probably why SFMM is able to throw $10 million on X. There are other times when Corporate may strike a deal with a manufacturor, and then offer said deal to its parks to give them something new. This is probably the case with the new Dark Knight coasters - but make no mistake, each park is paying for its own coaster. So, the point here is that SFMM, SFGAm, and SFOG each decide what to do with their own Deja Vus. It's not some corporate decision that removes rides and gives rides to parks - that's called a ride-trade program, and Six Flags ended it years ago. So clearing up that misconception alot of you have ends those "Well the other parks are doing it, so SFMM must too!" arguments. 2. It's apparent by now that the Six Flags parks have updated their sites, made most of their press releases, and shown off most of the changes they're going to make for the 2008 season - every park's page displays something new, the removed rides are off of the park pages, etc. etc. - and yet, SFMM's Deja Vu remains firmly placed on SFMM's Thrill Rides page. Hell, Deja Vu is on the massive banner at the TOP of the page. 3. Regarding SFMM itself, Flashback is still standing and yet the ride is being removed and isn't listed on the thrill rides page. So if Deja Vu is being removed, why hasn't it been removed from the thrill rides list page too? Oh wait. Because it's probably not being removed. 4. There is NOTHING but circumstantial evidence for the removal of Deja Vu at SFMM right now. It think the issue is that too many people read too far into little, minute details without considering the bigger picture. The minute detail is that SFMM have apparently changed their minds about what they consider a "World Class" coaster. The bigger picture is the fact that despite all of the ride removals, all of the site changes, all of the announcements that have been made, SFMM still keeps Deja Vu on their thrill ride list, and the ONLY thing that you "It's leaving" people have in your corner that is based on a proven and in-arguable FACT is that two other Six Flags are removing their clones of this ride - and as I've just demonstrated through explaining how Six Flags works, that in no way gives any weight to SFMM removing theirs. Yes, Deja Vu is being removed from SFOG and SFGAm because it is unreliable. But, as we've just seen from their willingness to put so much money into X, SFMM is apparently well-conditioned to dealing with such rides. Some of you really need to step back and look at ALL the facts, and not just stretch the circumstantial ones to suit your own views. There is no evidence that SFMM's Deja Vu is going anywhere.

They can work either way, and the system can definately operate with one motor. In other words, the motors could be on the trains and the fins on the track, or the motors on the track and the fins on the train. As long as the reaction between them exists. By contrast, LSM coasters use much larger reactive magnets, not simple fins, to establish a connection and create linear force. Therefore, Half-Pipe is definately LIM powered, it just isn't the more common way of doing it. http://www.baldor.co.uk/products/linearproducts/lmac.asp

No, Atlantis Adventure, Half-Pipe, and the Ball Coaster are all LIM launched. Atlantis Adventure is the only Intamin coaster I know of that uses LIM fins mounted to the track instead of these large assemblies.

In that case, would Wicked Twister be LSM as well? It's basically the same assembly, just mounted upside down...

Alright, so I was looking at some pictures of CA Screamin's launch run, and while RCDB lists the ride as LSM launch, the assemblies on the launch run are basically the same as the LIM motors on Impulse coasters. I did some research, and found that certain sites list the ride as LSM, some as LIM, some as LIM/LSM, and some refuse to say anything but "launched coaster". So which is it? I'm almost inclined to say LIM here, and blame the mistake on the fact that Disney usually never release much information as to how their rides work. Anyone have more information? Pictures for comparison: Wicked Twister (LIM): http://www.rcdb.com/ig1571.htm?picture=10 CA Screamin': http://lostworld.pair.com/disneyland/california_adventure/paradise_pier/images/71_screamin_launch.jpg

I'm with the above poster. I'll just start taking names down so I know who to make "I told ya so" posts to.....

I have yet to find people providing evidence other than "Oh, that looks like an inline twist". As opposed to, say, me, who researched into it and found OTHER solutions than what it initially looked like. I back my claims up, don't accuse me of not doing so.

And how did we come to this conclusion? How so? This ride won't have an inversion. Have you all not noticed how tight the track footers are? Naturally this thing is going to have some steeply banked turns and tight transitions from one turn to another. I love how people get this idea stuck in their about something, and then refuse to see another point of view of it. On a ride this small, an inline twist would be made out of dual-rail track, not tri-rail track. Also, real Intamin inline twists are MUCH more pronounced than the sharp transition you see here. Please take notice: http://www.rcdb.com/ig2498.htm?picture=20 Note how pronounced that barrel roll is. The track pieces you all think are "inline twists" really look more like this: http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=54 Hmm - oddly enough, that's the same "banked drop into an opposite direction banked turn" that the footers suggest! Whoa! A LOGICAL answer! I really don't mean to be a bitch here, but some of you really need to start researching these track pieces instead of seeing banked track and shouting "INVERSION! INVERSION!"

That's a ridiculous statement. That piece is also similar to this: http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=59 This: http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=54 This: http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=42 And then you make the assumption that because of a single track piece that you think LOOKS like an inversion, that you can rule out something that fits the bill so well as an Aquatrax? Just a question for everyone still thinking it is hydraulically launched - where's the foundation for the winch house used to store the motor?