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Yea for some reason http://rcdb.com/1040.htm?p=25481 looking at the extra bar this particular one had across the restraint looked kind of pointless.

 

That's there because some very intelligent people decided it would be a good idea to stick their upper body through the harness. Nothing ever happened of course, but that extra bar was put there to make sure nothing like that could happen again.

 

If you have ever seen a Deja Vu harness you'd realize how large and bulky they are and how easy leaning out of them can be.

 

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As an aside, I wonder why Premier decided to ditch the staggered seating of the old train for a typical four-across arrangement. Once again, less expensive, perhaps?

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^I'd definitely give it to that. I rode Deja Vu back at SFMM once, and it was enough to see how confusing it was for people!

 

As far as the OTSRs go, we all know that this ride needs them. So when they announced the Premier trains, shouldn't everyone have realized then that we were looking at them making OTSRs again? And really, what's to say that things haven't changed? Does everyone not love the new Boomerang restraints a thousand times more than the old ones? I can't imagine that Premier is going to put something out without learning from their mistakes 15 years ago.

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I remember when they tried adding extra padding to the OTSRs on Flight of Fear--it didn't help.

 

So do I....

 

As a young and stupid man, I still had my earrings in- small and gold, they blended in well with my skintones- and being young and stupid, I didn't remove them...

 

I bled for an HOUR afterwards.

 

For those who think these new OTSRs from Premier aren't that bad... Just wait till you've had the pleasure(?) of riding with one of them... and beg for mercy with the pain afterwards.

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^We're talking about Premier going back to OTSR's again after having so much success with lap bar only. Premier OTSR's were terrible.
I don't think anyone would feel 100% safe going up that first lift secured by only a lap bar.

 

A realistic alternative would be the flexible restraints which Vekoma now uses on every new design. However those seats are much wider, so on this ride, you would only be able to use a 3-abreast train, reducing the maximum capacity by a whopping 25%... and didn't Six Flags want the new trains to improve capacity ?

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I remember when they tried adding extra padding to the OTSRs on Flight of Fear--it didn't help.

 

So do I....

 

As a young and stupid man, I still had my earrings in- small and gold, they blended in well with my skintones- and being young and stupid, I didn't remove them...

 

I bled for an HOUR afterwards.

 

For those who think these new OTSRs from Premier aren't that bad... Just wait till you've had the pleasure(?) of riding with one of them... and beg for mercy with the pain afterwards.

 

Despite my comment, based on the concept art, it does look like Premier has made some modifications to their OTSRs ala Vekoma. The ones on FoF were as hard as cinder blocks.

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*sarcasm ALERT* But but, its a ride that goes upside down, it can't have a lapbar. People will fall out! general public idiocy.

 

In serious though, Premier does alot more in the industry than just making launch coasters. As I recall they also provide companies with coaster lift chains, they've made some water coasters and more. This could be an opportunity for them to branch out and make even bigger league coasters.

 

 

OH and maybe this trains wheels WON'T HAVE A 1 inch gap between the wheel and track!.

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I'm kind of disappointed in all of our Jr. Engineers here saying how a lap bar only ride can't go up a vertical spike, or hold upside down, etc. You should all know better. Remember, all lap bars are not created equal.

 

This lap bar would keep me in the car if I was completely upside down and it was trying to shake me out:

Oh wait, it did that, and I still survived!

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I'm kind of disappointed in all of our Jr. Engineers here saying how a lap bar only ride can't go up a vertical spike, or hold upside down, etc. You should all know better. Remember, all lap bars are not created equal.

 

This lap bar would keep me in the car if I was completely upside down and it was trying to shake me out:

Oh wait, it did that, and I still survived!

 

 

Props to you Elissa, I mean dang it held "The Big Man" himself in and he's well...BIG!

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When I rode Deja Vu at SFMM, the worst part was the return up the first spike, because when the train caught I was thrown forward into my restraint. And I don't think it would be very pleasant to not have something to fall in to either.

 

Also, there's a difference between being held in by a lap bar while your body is upside down and when you're being held facing the ground for twenty seconds with nothing holding your chest back.

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I agree. While I'm sure it would be possible, it would also be very uncomfortable having to basically hold your upper body up for that long while ascending the spike. But then again, so is having your noggin mercilessly bashed between OTSR's. I guess it's a lose-lose lol. I wish they could have come up with a 4-across vest-style train. But I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that these trains won't be so bad!

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WARNING! NON-EXPERT ALERT!

 

Being held vertically upward is okay as long as you have a backrest and headrest. Being held up-side down is okay as long as you have a restraint that opens laterally or overhead. The Maurer trains have both of these (backrests, laterally-opening restraints).

 

Typical lap restraints only hold you at, well, your lap. You're still free to move your upper body around in any way you like, and when you're face-down, you have to keep yourself consistently pressed against the seatback or else your upper body will flop about.

 

Maurer's restraints (as well as Premier's, to an extent) are (probably) designed so that you're restrained at your lap and your hips. They're very tall (up to Elissa's chest, and almost up to Rich's and Mike's), so your upper body can't move very far forward.

 

The reason that X-car style restraints or "vest" style restraints can't be put on the new Goliath train is because they take up a lot of horizontal room. B&M's new seats and Mack's new seats (even Intamin's, to an extent) are spaced pretty far apart, because the overhead restraint has to be anchored somewhere. Also, the only way to have four-across Maurer trains is to have the outboard seats staggered backward, because the restraints open laterally outward.

 

Premier most likely had to keep the width of the new trains the same as the old ones, or else the entire support structure would have to be modified to accommodate the new clearances. To keep everyone close together, the only thing they could do with that design was to introduce a shoulder harness.

 

EDIT: They can fit four-across and keep the same width of the train because the seat side bolsters are a lot less thick than the old Vekoma ones.

 

Of course, why they didn't keep the trains staggered and actually use laterally-opening restraints is anyone's guess.

 

END NON-EXPERT OPINION. Anyone for tea?

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Ok so obviously I'm not an expert or engineer, as evidenced by the fact that I made this crappy little thing in MS Paint, but I had an idea for how a lapbar restraint system could be fairly comfortable while ascending the vertical lift backwards for several second. So my thinking is that if the lap bar had handles that extended out and up to in front of the chest area, riders could use them to brace themselves so their upper-body wouldn't lean forward. Sort of like the handle that extends off the lapbar on Blue Fire. But as someone said before, it would probably be difficult to make a restraint system like this narrow enough for the GIB track. Anyway here's my little rendering of what I'm talking about.

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I don't mean to turn the thread into a "redesign a train" contest. I just hate reading about Elissa's disappointment.

 

I just hope Six Flags New England can take better care of Goliath than Six Flags Magic Mountain did. I bet you that upkeep (or lack thereof) is one of the reasons why the Deja Vu coasters are so rough.

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^^You made that in MS Paint? Jeez, I can't even draw a puppy without screwing something up...

 

^As Jr. Engineers, our opinions are subject to scrutiny. See you in two years when we can graduate and have expert opinions?

 

Oddly enough, I didn't find anything on Deja Vu other than that vey last trip up the spike to be rough whatsoever...

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...I bet you that upkeep (or lack thereof) is one of the reasons why the Deja Vu coasters are so rough.

 

Vekoma is another reason for this. I bet when Deja Vu opened it was quite smooth, but still being a little jerky and rough at the same time. SFNE doesn't have as big as a handful of rides to keep up on, so maybe they can upkeep this a little bit better than SFMM did. Let's not forget about those new trains, they might make some magic and add a spark to the coaster.

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^^ Lol I don't think I could draw a puppy either haha. It was pretty easy, I just used shapes and lines.

 

^True, SFMM has a larger handful of rides to keep up with than SFNE does, but I'm sure they have a much larger team to work on them as well. I think it has more to do with it being Vekoma and the not-so-tight wheel assembly.

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One thing I'll mention that might lead to the reason there is a harness instead of a lap bar is (once again) that vertical spike. I've ridden all three several times, and the thing that scared the living shit out of me was the fact that my entire body weight was on that stupid harness!!!

 

I looked over those renderings a little more closely and it looks like it is a lap bar with an OTSR system to hold it in place. Think (oh god here it comes) Forbidden Journey as opposed to other Kuka arms. It holds you in JUST at your waist and is not as obtrusive:

 

 

vs

 

 

The point I'm getting at is it could be a "lap bar" mounted like an OTSR for the sole purpose that your upper body needs something to rest on. YES I agree that a vest design attached to this would have been a much better approach, and double yes I'm sad to see this with OTSR's, but I think that this harness will hold you in by the waist instead of allowing your body to basically "fall in" to the harness like the old trains did.

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