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Rides like Maverick and Raptor are split pretty evenly with some people absolutely hating them while everyone else absolutely loves them.

What??? I seriously in all my time spend at Cedar Point and working around coaster nerds don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything bad about Raptor! And the only things said bad about Maverick was resolved this year with the new restraints. I really don't think there is a 50/50 split of people loving/hating Maverick & Raptor. That data doesn't even seem close to be accurate.

To add to this, the only people I've ever heard say anything *bad* about Maverick or Raptor are enthusiasts saying they're "poorly engineered pieces of crap." Maybe a very small percentage of the general public don't really appreciate them, but I've never heard someone at Cedar Point say they're bad rides.

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To add to this, the only people I've ever heard say anything *bad* about Maverick or Raptor are enthusiasts saying they're "poorly engineered pieces of crap." Maybe a very small percentage of the general public don't really appreciate them, but I've never heard someone at Cedar Point say they're bad rides.

 

I've never heard a complaint from either of those rides from the GP.

 

 

 

 

Anyways, a bit off topic. Coaster enthusiasts seem to have a single mindset anymore, and thus the definition should be changed to;

 

en·thu·si·ast

inˈTH(y)o͞ozēˌast,enˈTH(y)o͞ozēˌast/

noun

a person who is highly interested in a particular type of coaster and will knock every coaster that doesn't fit their exact criteria.

 

"This coaster doesn't have my overly-specific G-force requirements that can only be found on my favorite coaster, it's forceless!"

 

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I think Dive Machines are single best ride that B&M makes.

 

I agree, besides maybe a few Inverts which I enjoy very much the Dive Machines are my favorite designs by B&M. Griffin and Shiekra are both in my top 10. CP people should be super pumped for this it is going to be great.

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VR Headstets could incorporate washable parts that you wear, with the screen section clipping on. People are pretty comfortable wearing washable 3d glasses, at least.

 

I'm really looking forward to the first VR coaster, but it's most likely going to come from mack, and not on a ride with great views to sell.

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Rides like Maverick and Raptor are split pretty evenly with some people absolutely hating them while everyone else absolutely loves them.

What??? I seriously in all my time spend at Cedar Point and working around coaster nerds don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything bad about Raptor! And the only things said bad about Maverick was resolved this year with the new restraints. I really don't think there is a 50/50 split of people loving/hating Maverick & Raptor. That data doesn't even seem close to be accurate.

To add to this, the only people I've ever heard say anything *bad* about Maverick or Raptor are enthusiasts saying they're "poorly engineered pieces of crap." Maybe a very small percentage of the general public don't really appreciate them, but I've never heard someone at Cedar Point say they're bad rides.

 

Most of the complaints aren't anything most of us would consider a problem but a significant amount of the GP think of those to rides as to intense and violent. I know a lot of people who refuse to ride them because they are "Rough and painful"

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Most of the complaints aren't anything most of us would consider a problem but a significant amount of the GP think of those to rides as to intense and violent. I know a lot of people who refuse to ride them because they are "Rough and painful"

Like I said, I have seriously, never EVER heard this. And considering that Raptor is 21 years old this year, and STILL gets a fairly significant line, I don't see how your data is anywhere CLOSE to be accurate. Sounds like you need to hang out with people who aren't pussies.

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^^

 

I have to admit that I have seen some very interesting posts since the date for the announcement was set and this thread kicked into high gear.

 

Here are my faves thusfar...

 

 

* Valravn is a complete hoax - it won't be a coaster, but a dark ride instead

 

* A 12 year old complaining about CP getting a dive coaster with an uninspired layout. Seriously? I would have absolutely pooped a brick if CP would have installed anything like the Valravn renderings when I was 12 years old!!! I literally crapped with glee & delight around the same age when they announced Iron Dragon and Thunder Freaking Canyon!

 

* CP has been building a lot of forceless coasters lately

 

* CP should get a GCI and then RMC Mean Streak because they don't currently have any decent wooden coasters (Blue Streak - cough)

 

* 50/50 love/hate for Maverick/Raptor with most people hating both

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^^

 

I have to admit that I have seen some very interesting posts since the date for the announcement was set and this thread kicked into high gear.

 

Here are my faves thusfar...

 

 

* Valravn is a complete hoax - it won't be a coaster, but a dark ride instead

 

* A 12 year old complaining about CP getting a dive coaster with an uninspired layout. Seriously? I would have absolutely pooped a brick if CP would have installed anything like the Valravn renderings when I was 12 years old!!! I literally crapped with glee & delight around the same age when they announced Iron Dragon and Thunder Freaking Canyon!

 

* CP has been building a lot of forceless coasters lately

 

* CP should get a GCI and then RMC Mean Streak because they don't currently have any decent wooden coasters (Blue Streak - cough)

 

* 50/50 love/hate for Maverick/Raptor with most people hating both

 

Best post of the day. I rolled my eyes at each of these posts as well!

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Rides like Maverick and Raptor are split pretty evenly with some people absolutely hating them while everyone else absolutely loves them.

What??? I seriously in all my time spend at Cedar Point and working around coaster nerds don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything bad about Raptor! And the only things said bad about Maverick was resolved this year with the new restraints. I really don't think there is a 50/50 split of people loving/hating Maverick & Raptor. That data doesn't even seem close to be accurate.

To add to this, the only people I've ever heard say anything *bad* about Maverick or Raptor are enthusiasts saying they're "poorly engineered pieces of crap." Maybe a very small percentage of the general public don't really appreciate them, but I've never heard someone at Cedar Point say they're bad rides.

 

Most of the complaints aren't anything most of us would consider a problem but a significant amount of the GP think of those to rides as to intense and violent. I know a lot of people who refuse to ride them because they are "Rough and painful"

So do 50% of the people you know really hate Raptor and Maverick, or is this your way of saying you don't like them without sounding like you are just scared of the rides? This just sounds ridiculous IMO

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Does anyone know why this ride is following so closely after Gatekeeper? Just curious. The last two coasters were six years apart, before that they were four years apart. Now these two are only three years apart.

I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick. If you look back at Cedar Point's history, since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years. Magnum, Mean Streak, Rapor, Mantis, Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, and Top Thrill Dragster (plus a kiddie coaster in there) were all built in a timeframe of four years max in between (Mantis and Millennium Force).

After Maverick, and acquiring the Paramount parks, they wanted to focus on other parks, and reimagine the image of Cedar Point being more well rounded (not that it wasn't already). So, they took a five year break (2008-12) at Cedar Point, then got right back on track with Gatekeeper.

Two years of pretty minor investments relative to the parks history (excluding the Breakers renovation which was funded from a waterpark sale) and you have another great opportunity to reimagine the Marina gate for what is presumably much more affordable than Gatekeeper.

Anyways, that just my theory. It's not that this was particularly sped up, it's just the period of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper was a sign of change for the company.

 

Or the entire US economy tanked (upper midwest especially hard) and Cedar Fair didn't feel the need to spend on a park that had a ton of coasters already.

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Does anyone know why this ride is following so closely after Gatekeeper? Just curious. The last two coasters were six years apart, before that they were four years apart. Now these two are only three years apart.

I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick. If you look back at Cedar Point's history, since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years. Magnum, Mean Streak, Rapor, Mantis, Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, and Top Thrill Dragster (plus a kiddie coaster in there) were all built in a timeframe of four years max in between (Mantis and Millennium Force).

After Maverick, and acquiring the Paramount parks, they wanted to focus on other parks, and reimagine the image of Cedar Point being more well rounded (not that it wasn't already). So, they took a five year break (2008-12) at Cedar Point, then got right back on track with Gatekeeper.

Two years of pretty minor investments relative to the parks history (excluding the Breakers renovation which was funded from a waterpark sale) and you have another great opportunity to reimagine the Marina gate for what is presumably much more affordable than Gatekeeper.

Anyways, that just my theory. It's not that this was particularly sped up, it's just the period of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper was a sign of change for the company.

 

Or the entire US economy tanked (upper midwest especially hard) and Cedar Fair didn't feel the need to spend on a park that had a ton of coasters already.

This is also a valid explanation

To add to this, it's not like they stopped investing in the park. They just focused on other parks as well, including another another upper Midwest park.

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Just to be clear, lest anybody lump me into a category falsely...

 

There is a difference between expecting this all to be a ruse, and allowing for the possibility that it is all a ruse. I certainly would bet on a Dive Machine called Valravn with the specs we've seen to be announced in just over a week. But am I putting all my expectant eggs in that basket? No way! You just never know, and it's not like trickery is unheard of from CF or even CP. I'm really trying to tamp down on my excitement about this, simply because it'll make the disappointment less if it turns out to be something else, unlikely as that may be!

 

Also, regarding the Raptor/Maverick 50/50 claims... That does seem very high to me, as both of those are extremely popular coasters, and I know of hardly anybody personally who dislikes then. Still, it wouldn't surprise me if a fair number of their GP riders, say 20-25% tops, would deem then to be a bit rough for their tastes. Maverick is no doubt an aggressive ride, and there was a fair amount of headbanging, especially before the new restraints. And Raptor is definitely one of the more intense Inverts, ending with that brutal snap as you come into the break run. Don't get be wrong: I love them both, particularly Maverick. But I can see somebody coming off of them, especially a casual coaster rider, and thinking they were a bit rough for their tastes. 50/50 is definitely too high, however, in my opinion!

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I think this VR stuff, if true, would be better utilized on a smaller, compact, indoor coaster like Flight of Fear or RNR or something like that. Maybe it will be cool but in the end, if I'm riding a giant 200+ foot Dive Machine on Lake Erie, I think I want to actually be experiencing "real" reality on a ride like that.

 

That said, it's just a crazy concept that, even if the technology has been around for a while now, I never thought we'd see it utilized like this on a large scale so soon.

 

And just to throw my 2 cents in the ring, I always get a laugh out of the "B&M is forceless" nonsense. I mean yeah, there are more intense rides, but it just sounds so ridiculous and nitpicky when people complain like that about these massive B&M coasters and make it sound like they're not even worth riding.

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Maverick's intense so I'm not surprised people sometimes complain about it. Some people simply can't handle the intensity of it, much like Skyrush or I305 so they naturally complain. As for Raptor, the only complaint I've heard is the final jolt into the brakes which some people seem to like. By the way, as for the render take a close look at the element shaping; it's dead accurate. Most people who "leak" info can't quite get the shaping perfect and there are obvious discrepancies. With the recent rendering, I see no flaws.

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I've ridden Alpengeist (which is assumably as rough as Raptor) and it's not as bad in the front. Maybe it's the same for Raptor?

 

Alpengeist and Raptor are both incredibly smooth in every seat. People are so damn spoiled, I won't even bring up a really horrible coaster like a Golden Horse SLC, just go ride any Arrow mega looper and then come back and see how rough Alpengeist and Raptor are.

 

I would say something like "If you can't handle Raptor go ride a ridiculously forceless coaster like Gatekeeper" but according to this thread Gatekeeper has painful death vests so I guess go ride Midway Carousel or something (Cedar Downs is probably a little too much for you).

 

And the thing that kills me is in the next breath people will complain that B&M's are forceless but any time a roller coaster does something roller coasters are supposed to do like move your head around a little bit they're too rough. Which is it? lol

 

PS: I love Gatekeeper thanks to it's great first drop and cool elements but it's forceless as hell. I'm not bashing it.

PSS: DonkeysWaffles I'm not directing this at you at all, just the people you seem to be directing the post at that think Alpengeist is rough.

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I've ridden Alpengeist (which is assumably as rough as Raptor) and it's not as bad in the front. Maybe it's the same for Raptor?

 

Alpengeist and Raptor are both incredibly smooth in every seat. People are so damn spoiled, I won't even bring up a really horrible coaster like a Golden Horse SLC, just go ride any Arrow mega looper and then come back and see how rough Alpengeist and Raptor are.

 

I would say something like "If you can't handle Raptor go ride a ridiculously forceless coaster like Gatekeeper" but according to this thread Gatekeeper has painful death vests so I guess go ride Midway Carousel or something (Cedar Downs is probably a little too much for you).

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