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P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

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It could be possible that they relocate Space Spiral to another section of the park. It doesn't have a very big footprint so I don't think it would be that hard to find a place for it.

 

 

I think I read somewhere recently that space spirals tower goes down very far into the ground, which would make moving it quite difficult.

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Space Spiral has a few things working against it that probably made them pull the plug. It really doeesn't appear to be affected by the new ride, but it's very aged, it has only operated at half capacity for many years now with the upper level being far too hot in the summer time, and it's ridership has declined tremedously. There is also the issue that high winds shut it down very frequently out on that peninsula. Quimet mentioned very early on that he was going to focus on removing aged, and unpopular attractions, as well as those that have become more costly. Space Spiral really fits all of those categories. It's a bit sad but it seems the time has come.

 

^^Because giving the two parks the same flat ride means that we've created an irreversible trend that will ruin Ohio theme parks.

 

It's not like they both installed scramblers in the same year here. These are major signature rides. You wouldn't clone Raptor at KI, or Diamondback at CP. Flat rides on that scale should not be installed at parks so close together. I frown on the proximity of MaXair and Delirium as well, however it's not as bad as putting two batman clones in the SAME CITY *cough cough Fiesta Texas cough cough*

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^^Because giving the two parks the same flat ride means that we've created an irreversible trend that will ruin Ohio theme parks.

Well maybe I should have rephrased that. Putting the same new rides into two popular parks within the same state gives people in that state less reason to visit both parks to see the new ride. In Ohio, years ago when CP and KI were owned seperately, they would each get new big rides every year, or every other year. People here would visit both parks to primarily ride the new rides (along with the old ones the've already rode many times). No reason to visit both parks when the new rides are the same; unless you just want to go to ride all their old rides at both again. But new rides are typically what keeps the crowds coming to parks.

 

Anyway, I was not trying to be an alarmist. Was just saying I do not want CF to make that a trend.

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Flat rides on that scale should not be installed at parks so close together. I frown on the proximity of MaXair and Delirium as well, however it's not as bad as putting two batman clones in the SAME CITY *cough cough Fiesta Texas cough cough*

 

Simply to play devil's advocate, maXair and Delirium were installed under two separate ownerships, well before CF purchased the Paramount Parks. But I get your point.

 

And if the reason for the upper deck on Space Spiral being closed was due to the heat, it must've been unbearable. The bottom level felt like a sauna on some days. And the filthy, never-seen-Windex-ever windows made the views and potential photography options awful. At least the Giant Wheel is still in the vicinity to get some of the views from that side of the park.

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Being in central Ohio, it was very obvious when the too biggest theme parks in the state got the same ride in the same year. Imagine if Cedar Fair continues doing stuff like that. What point would there be to visit both CP and KI when they would be essentially the same park.

 

Yes I know the Space Spiral type towers were common decades ago. Although CP's was a bit taller than most others. But in terms of discussing an observation tower replacement, I would wish for something more unique.

 

and along came Windseeker....

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I'm aware Paramount installed the frisbee at KI, but Cedar Fair decided the same ride should be installed at CP, so the same company is responsible for both parks having it. Continuing on, those parks share a lot of the same attractions. Wave swingers, monsters, troikas, rip chords, go karts, scramblers, frisbees, windseekers, swinging ships but different manufacturers at least, bumper cars, large rail roads, rapids, am I missing anything else? Lol. Point being, the major rides are where the two parks tend to differ. That's a long list of similar or identical attractions. They need to keep the two as separate as possible in their thrill ride offerings.

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2 Things

 

1- CP and KI are roughly 4 hours away. They target different metropolitan areas. It's not like SWSAnt/SFFT or SFOG/AmAdv

2- I thought Six Flags had a contract with B&M on Wing-Rider coasters? Maybe It's just the layout like Batman from 92 to 97.

3- If this is true, They'll still be at 16 coasters. SFMM "Wins" for a little longer.

 

 

Wonder what Matt will remove next? My wishes are with Mean Streak. Iron Dragon doesn't look like it has a great future however.

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Being in central Ohio, it was very obvious when the too biggest theme parks in the state got the same ride in the same year. Imagine if Cedar Fair continues doing stuff like that. What point would there be to visit both CP and KI when they would be essentially the same park.

 

Different coasters! And one has blue ice cream.

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Being in central Ohio, it was very obvious when the too biggest theme parks in the state got the same ride in the same year. Imagine if Cedar Fair continues doing stuff like that. What point would there be to visit both CP and KI when they would be essentially the same park.

 

Different coasters! And one has blue ice cream.

 

And one has TGI Fridays

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A winged coaster going out over a parking lot would be great, as long as cars can still go under it at some points. I understand the whole "things flying out of the train" argument, but going over an active parking lot with nothing under your feet would probably be really exciting!

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If that is indeed the general layout I kind of like it. Yes it is partially over a parking lot but the potential interaction with the entrance plaza is a great concept. If nothing else, the B&M Wing Riders visually are VERY impressive in person and walking right under one upon entrance to the park would be very cool. With the proper track length and right number of trains I'm sure this thing will be a reliable capacity monster, which is always welcome at Cedar Point.

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If you look closely, it's obvious this thing will have no airtime, be incredibly too short, force the parking lot to sink, completely screw up the Fast Lane system, not go to Alaska, have tasteless noodles, cause the Callahan plant to close, have a much-too-long brake run, AND be painted red.

 

I'll only ride it if the machine guns are installed.

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If you look closely, it's obvious this thing will have no airtime, be incredibly too short, force the parking lot to sink, completely screw up the Fast Lane system, not go to Alaska, have tasteless noodles, cause the Callahan plant to close, have a much-too-long brake run, AND be painted red.

 

I'll only ride it if the machine guns are installed.

 

No its "the brake run is too high".....remember?...lol

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If you look closely, it's obvious this thing will have no airtime, be incredibly too short, force the parking lot to sink, completely screw up the Fast Lane system, not go to Alaska, have tasteless noodles, cause the Callahan plant to close, have a much-too-long brake run, AND be painted red.

 

I'll only ride it if the machine guns are installed.

 

But all of that doesn't matter, since it's already sinking...

 

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I'm aware Paramount installed the frisbee at KI, but Cedar Fair decided the same ride should be installed at CP, so the same company is responsible for both parks having it. Continuing on, those parks share a lot of the same attractions. Wave swingers, monsters, troikas, rip chords, go karts, scramblers, frisbees, windseekers, swinging ships but different manufacturers at least, bumper cars, large rail roads, rapids, am I missing anything else? Lol. Point being, the major rides are where the two parks tend to differ. That's a long list of similar or identical attractions. They need to keep the two as separate as possible in their thrill ride offerings.

 

Don't get me started about how CP has a MUCH better railroad. There are not many parks that can boast about still using coal and owning trains that were not designed for the park but has previous jobs before running around the park. I don't want to start an argument with you Greg, because you know way more than I do, but CP's train is in a whole different league, along with Dollywood's.

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Kings Island and Cedar Point have extremely different thrill rides, they share the same amusement park staples like any other park does and a wind seeker which almost every major Cedar Fair park has. Yea they might share the same type of coaster like Flight Deck and Iron Dragon or Adventure Express and Mine Ride, but their individual ride experiences differ dramatically.

 

Going back to the wing coaster, I am so excited to see a B&M at the park again. Not only is this ride going to interact with the entrance and it is finally going to show off that beautiful beach that has been hidden by a big, giant box. Space Spiral has not worked consistently for the past ten years and I know it might be an icon, but at this point it is a giant lawn ornament. Can't wait to see the official layout of this bad boy and the first significant change to the entrance of the park since Raptor.

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Postby BeemerBoy » Thu May 31, 2012 5:06 am

If you look closely, it's obvious this thing will have no airtime, be incredibly too short, force the parking lot to sink, completely screw up the Fast Lane system, not go to Alaska, have tasteless noodles, cause the Callahan plant to close, have a much-too-long brake run, AND be painted red.

 

I'll only ride it if the machine guns are installed.

 

I want lasers. Roller coaster trains with freaking lasers....

 

You did not even get to its horrible name!

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^...and it's not wood. Maybe they could work the seagulls into the name.

 

I am hearing mostly praise from people who have ridden WIld Eagle so I'm sure it will be a good ride. That area of the park will look a lot better. Again, not an anti WR thing but I have to admit it seems a bit uninspired. How much longer will they go without a great wooden coaster.

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