Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[TheHalonSystem]

Am I the only one that will miss this ride?

[11slataus]

^No. I will miss it very, very much. It was my favorite standup! I never found it to be rough like 80% of people seem think it is. Intense, yes. Rough, no.

 

However, I do like the layout, so I will still be happy if it comes back as a sit-down (or is relocated as a stand-up). But it won't be quite the same.

 

I never understood how Mantis seemed to get SO MUCH HATE from everyone, especially when Iron Wolf/Apocalypse at nearby SFGAm was so much worse.

[MayTheGForceBeWithYou]

^^I liked Mantis when I rode it. Yeah it was a headbanger, but I thought the layout was still enjoyable.

[DoinItForTheFame]

Demolish Mantis, or Retheme and add floorless trains...

 

Either way I'm sure Cedar Point won't disappoint us.

[CpBluestreakCp]

The video with the reaper kinda reminds me of the same reaper that was on the building to announce GateKeeper. And if I remember correctly, the audio said "Wait we aren't telling the whole story, there's more" or something like that. I feel since the reaper made another appearance in the video, it coincides with the "wait there's more part". It's like everytime a ride is removed for another at CP, that reaper guy shows up. Just a thought.

[BlahBlahson]

This is going to be more than "Floorless trains, Repaint, New Name."

 

That really isn't going to sell big to us or the public, and more importantly...Matt Ouimet is in charge.

[MagnumFreak25]

1) I would be very happy with a Mantis conversion.

 

2) The GP will belive its a new ride and they probably won't care all that much sense it's still a new experience.

[Ed Farmer]

I'd be thrilled if this was relocation to another park rather than conversion. It'd be a huge addition to Michigan's Adventure. I get the feeling that it's staying put and getting new trains, though.

[Brassinthegrass]

1) I would be very happy with a Mantis conversion.

 

2) The GP will belive its a new ride and they probably won't care all that much sense it's still a new experience.

 

 

Come on people... The GP aren't stupid, just not as well informed.. They are going to walk into the park next season and know it's still mantis!

[Jcoaster]

This is going to be more than "Floorless trains, Repaint, New Name."

 

That really isn't going to sell big to us or the public, and more importantly...Matt Ouimet is in charge.

 

I'm quoting this for when it is "Floorless trains, Repaint and a New Name."

[BlahBlahson]

1) I would be very happy with a Mantis conversion.

 

2) The GP will belive its a new ride and they probably won't care all that much sense it's still a new experience.

 

Cedar Point is the most closely watched regional park in America and the one that people drive 16 hours to go visit. For once, I think the general public will be aware that it's the same ride.

[soldier148]

Floorless coaster themed to LeBron dunking... or maybe, it could be (gasp!)... IRON MANTIS... oh wait a mintue...

[Duff]

I never understood how Mantis seemed to get SO MUCH HATE from everyone

 

I think the problem with Mantis is all relative. Cedar Point has too many other highly-rated coasters for Mantis to stand-out. Imagine Mantis at a smaller park (like Michigan's Adventure), and how much praise it would probably receive at a smaller park where expectations aren't sky high. But at a park like Cedar Point with so many great coaster choices, poor Mantis was in over its head.

 

Personally, I also think Mantis feels dated—and not in a positive, vintage way like Blue Streak. Mantis feels dated in a bad way, like mid-nineties gimmick trying too hard to stay relevant.

 

And. Don't forget that trim brake in the middle of the first drop. An unforgivable coaster sin.

[OrlandoGuy]

It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

 

I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong.

All I'm saying is that I've seen projects get turned around faster than you can imagine. I mean, hi, the built Transformers at Universal Orlando in 10 months and that included the complete demolition of a building, new foundations, a new building that houses a two-story dark ride, a full themed queue AND a shop!

 

Look how quickly they turned around Kentucky Kingdom which included a new roller coaster and a giant new water park area.

 

All I'm saying is this - if a park (any park, not just CP) wanted to attempt to turn around a brand new ride in a few months, there are PLENTY of examples you can point to where a park has been successful at it.

 

Yes, this is true, but its not fair to chastise moneygrabber just yet, as his post did have some basis to it. Most of the new rides announced for 2015 have already begun construction, CP would have to start in 2 months...thats a lot of catching up they would have to do. Yes, Transformers in Orlando was built in 10 months, BUT

-it was a clone

-Orlando is suitable for year-round construction

-it did not involve any complex demolition, just ripping out a building on a city block and starting over

 

Meanwhile Mantis would need a full disassembly, along with the time it takes to build a brand new ride (vs a clone where all the kinks have been smoothed out beforehand...sure a Mantis replacement could be a clone, but its unlikely given its footprint). Then you have to add to that the fact that its built in a marsh, in an odd plot of land. And then theres the fact that Midwest winters have a tendency to be pretty brutal and full of delays. Yes, KK did it and it was very impressive, but the infrastructure was mostly there and Lightning Run was built on a plot of flat asphalt rather than a swamp.

 

I wont rule out the possibility of CP adding in a completely new roller coaster in Mantis' place, nor will I pretend to be an expert engineer. But I wouldnt discount the opinion that Mantis isnt going anywhere, either.

[JonnyRCT3]

I actually like Mantis. Whatever they do, just don't tear down mah' baby.

[GCI Wooden]

Did you guys realize what the reaper said to the person in the station? He said "Ever wonder why you're not supposed to stand up on Mantis?". Wonder what this means...

[FeelTheFORCE]

Did you guys realize what the reaper said to the person in the station? He said "Ever wonder why you're not supposed to stand up on Mantis?". Wonder what this means...

 

He said "step on a Mantis."

[robbalvey]

It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

 

I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong.

All I'm saying is that I've seen projects get turned around faster than you can imagine. I mean, hi, the built Transformers at Universal Orlando in 10 months and that included the complete demolition of a building, new foundations, a new building that houses a two-story dark ride, a full themed queue AND a shop!

 

Look how quickly they turned around Kentucky Kingdom which included a new roller coaster and a giant new water park area.

 

All I'm saying is this - if a park (any park, not just CP) wanted to attempt to turn around a brand new ride in a few months, there are PLENTY of examples you can point to where a park has been successful at it.

 

Yes, this is true, but its not fair to chastise moneygrabber just yet, as his post did have some basis to it. Most of the new rides announced for 2015 have already begun construction, CP would have to start in 2 months...thats a lot of catching up they would have to do. Yes, Transformers in Orlando was built in 10 months, BUT

-it was a clone

-Orlando is suitable for year-round construction

-it did not involve any complex demolition, just ripping out a building on a city block and starting over

 

Meanwhile Mantis would need a full disassembly, along with the time it takes to build a brand new ride (vs a clone where all the kinks have been smoothed out beforehand...sure a Mantis replacement could be a clone, but its unlikely given its footprint). Then you have to add to that the fact that its built in a marsh, in an odd plot of land. And then theres the fact that Midwest winters have a tendency to be pretty brutal and full of delays. Yes, KK did it and it was very impressive, but the infrastructure was mostly there and Lightning Run was built on a plot of flat asphalt rather than a swamp.

 

I wont rule out the possibility of CP adding in a completely new roller coaster in Mantis' place, nor will I pretend to be an expert engineer. But I wouldnt discount the opinion that Mantis isnt going anywhere, either.

Two things:

 

1. I've been around a LOT more theme park construction projects that I'm sure you probably have. Why would even bother to doubt what I had to say on the subject matter?

2. I highly doubt CP is getting a "new" coaster anyway, so why is this discussion even continuing?

 

--Robb

[GCI Wooden]

Did you guys realize what the reaper said to the person in the station? He said "Ever wonder why you're not supposed to stand up on Mantis?". Wonder what this means...

 

He said "step on a Mantis."

 

Sorry, I guess I interpreted it as what I wanted to hear.

[moneygrabber]

It's almost not possible to build a whole NEW coaster there. Mantis would close in October, then they have to demolish it, do all the excavating and foundations, then erect, etc, etc. All that BEFORE June? I don't see it. They would had to have started the demolition process sooner, in my opinion.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters?

 

I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong.

All I'm saying is that I've seen projects get turned around faster than you can imagine. I mean, hi, the built Transformers at Universal Orlando in 10 months and that included the complete demolition of a building, new foundations, a new building that houses a two-story dark ride, a full themed queue AND a shop!

 

Look how quickly they turned around Kentucky Kingdom which included a new roller coaster and a giant new water park area.

 

All I'm saying is this - if a park (any park, not just CP) wanted to attempt to turn around a brand new ride in a few months, there are PLENTY of examples you can point to where a park has been successful at it.

 

Yes, this is true, but its not fair to chastise moneygrabber just yet, as his post did have some basis to it. Most of the new rides announced for 2015 have already begun construction, CP would have to start in 2 months...thats a lot of catching up they would have to do. Yes, Transformers in Orlando was built in 10 months, BUT

-it was a clone

-Orlando is suitable for year-round construction

-it did not involve any complex demolition, just ripping out a building on a city block and starting over

 

Meanwhile Mantis would need a full disassembly, along with the time it takes to build a brand new ride (vs a clone where all the kinks have been smoothed out beforehand...sure a Mantis replacement could be a clone, but its unlikely given its footprint). Then you have to add to that the fact that its built in a marsh, in an odd plot of land. And then theres the fact that Midwest winters have a tendency to be pretty brutal and full of delays. Yes, KK did it and it was very impressive, but the infrastructure was mostly there and Lightning Run was built on a plot of flat asphalt rather than a swamp.

 

I wont rule out the possibility of CP adding in a completely new roller coaster in Mantis' place, nor will I pretend to be an expert engineer. But I wouldnt discount the opinion that Mantis isnt going anywhere, either.

Two things:

 

1. I've been around a LOT more theme park construction projects that I'm sure you probably have. Why would even bother to doubt what I had to say on the subject matter?

2. I highly doubt CP is getting a "new" coaster anyway, so why is this discussion even continuing?

 

--Robb

 

I certainly don't think he chastised me at all, and while I agree that Orlando is set up for great building potential year-round, the fact remains that Louisville, Kentucky isn't exactly ideal from November to March/April. I mean they refurbished an ENTIRE park. That's defnitely noteworthy and I didn't even think about it

[RoCo]

Anything is better than what is there now. I had my last ride on Mantis years ago, and I am OK with that.

 

dt

 

Ditto.

[blakelemay23]

Could you imagine what CP could do if they were to take Mantis and Iron Dragon out, and with that landscape?

 

I can only dream...

[StuckInSD]

Maybe they'll have some new, revolutionary train that puts you in a kneeling position and call it Praying Mantis.

[Fooz]

Is a new train enough to market it by? I think they'll have to load up on some other gimmicks, be it fire or sound or whatnot.

[DarienLaker]

"Mantis' Revenge" that's my wild guess for the name of the floorless remodel of Mantis!