Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby CDawg » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:17 am

RCT3Bross wrote:Come on people this is real. I know Cedar Fair loves to joke like they did with KI last year. But they don't make a logo and 3D track version just to fool the fans, I mean it cost a lot of money to make that and Cedar Fair is a company that wants to make money, they will not spend money on this just to fool some fans.
KI was different they just took a Image of Gatekeeper and posted the Bat logo next to it, it didn't cost money as they already had both things prepared. The lay-out was just taken from place A to B and the logo was already designed for the rebrand to Bat.
Honestly I will be shocked if this isn't real.



Maybe it was a fan creation which had gone viral.
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby canadianparkfan » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:24 am

^There's also NL2, where it really doesn't cost much to make a layout in.
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby neil009 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:07 am

Does anyone know why this ride is following so closely after Gatekeeper? Just curious. The last two coasters were six years apart, before that they were four years apart. Now these two are only three years apart.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby Password121 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:25 am

neil009 wrote:Does anyone know why this ride is following so closely after Gatekeeper? Just curious. The last two coasters were six years apart, before that they were four years apart. Now these two are only three years apart.

I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick. If you look back at Cedar Point's history, since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years. Magnum, Mean Streak, Rapor, Mantis, Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, and Top Thrill Dragster (plus a kiddie coaster in there) were all built in a timeframe of four years max in between (Mantis and Millennium Force).
After Maverick, and acquiring the Paramount parks, they wanted to focus on other parks, and reimagine the image of Cedar Point being more well rounded (not that it wasn't already). So, they took a five year break (2008-12) at Cedar Point, then got right back on track with Gatekeeper.
Two years of pretty minor investments relative to the parks history (excluding the Breakers renovation which was funded from a waterpark sale) and you have another great opportunity to reimagine the Marina gate for what is presumably much more affordable than Gatekeeper.
Anyways, that just my theory. It's not that this was particularly sped up, it's just the period of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper was a sign of change for the company.
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby grsupercity » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:08 am

Last 10 years they have had some big additions. Max air, skyhawk, new Gemini midway, new Wicket twister midway, windseeker. None are small
After riding Lightning Run I can not understand why parks are not lining up to buy some Hyper GTX models. That little ride rocks

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby JonnyRCT3 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:09 am

Password121 wrote:
neil009 wrote:Does anyone know why this ride is following so closely after Gatekeeper? Just curious. The last two coasters were six years apart, before that they were four years apart. Now these two are only three years apart.

I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick. If you look back at Cedar Point's history, since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years. Magnum, Mean Streak, Rapor, Mantis, Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, and Top Thrill Dragster (plus a kiddie coaster in there) were all built in a time frame of four years max in between (Mantis and Millennium Force).
After Maverick, and acquiring the Paramount parks, they wanted to focus on other parks, and re-imagine the image of Cedar Point being more well rounded (not that it wasn't already). So, they took a five year break (2008-12) at Cedar Point, then got right back on track with Gatekeeper.
Two years of pretty minor investments relative to the parks history (excluding the Breakers renovation which was funded from a waterpark sale) and you have another great opportunity to re imagine the Marina gate for what is presumably much more affordable than Gatekeeper.
Anyways, that just my theory. It's not that this was particularly sped up, it's just the period of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper was a sign of change for the company.


I agree.
Most CF parks, pre Paramount buyout, have taken the back burner as the newly acquired parks have seen the most capital invested into them. When you spend a billion on something, you need to invest everything you can to ensure the maximum return. The post-Paramount parks have seen at least one, sometimes two, 20+ million dollar investments since the buyout. CF does this every time they acquire new parks, WOF, VF, and ever DP saw some of their largest investments soon after CF acquired them.

However I don't find GK to be a fluke, at all. Regardless of capacity the ride still puts through more people than MF (the parks star coaster). If the ride was in any form "bad" those numbers would be much less as people wouldn't bother riding it.

Despite whatever the enthusiast may say, GK has been quite the success. With the addition of last years family rides, CP has gained (at minimum) $19.8 million dollars worth of additional revenue, compared to the two previous years before its installation.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby Password121 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:20 am

^I never said Gatekeeper was a fluke in terms of being "lesser" than the other star coasters built at Cedar Point. If you go back and read the rest of my sentence...
Password121 wrote:I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick...since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years.

...you'll see that what I was referring to as "fluky" was the amount of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper, not the ride itself in any way.
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby JonnyRCT3 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:31 am

In before everyone freaks because Robb posts something that they believe is related to a new attraction.

Password121 wrote:^I never said Gatekeeper was a fluke in terms of being "lesser" than the other star coasters built at Cedar Point. If you go back and read the rest of my sentence...
Password121 wrote:I think Gatekeeper was just somewhat of a fluke or a long pause for coasters after Maverick...since the 80's they've built new/record breaking coasters every few years.

...you'll see that what I was referring to as "fluky" was the amount of time between Maverick and Gatekeeper, not the ride itself in any way.


Well, that clears that issue up.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby robbalvey » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:32 am

So I received something in the mail today from Cedar Point...
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Let's open it, shall we?

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What could this be? Looks like maybe a DVD or something???

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Aha, it's an announcement invite! Made out of cardboard that comes apart...hmm...

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There are instructions!

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And following the instructions I now have sort of a box!

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But look! It's not just a box! It's a VR headset for my iPhone!

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"All will come into view..."

Hmm... so I think with some of the leaks we get an idea of what this is going to be...but could there be more than we are SEEING yet? I know we've seen a lot of tests done with things like Oculus Rift headsets, and Cedar Point sure is making a big deal with this VR thing. Is it a marketing angle or are we looking at quite possibly the first coaster to actually incorporate this technology?

I guess we'll find out on the 18th!
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby RCT3Bross » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:33 am

CDawg wrote:
Maybe it was a fan creation which had gone viral.

As I understood it this came from a official app from CP them self. If that's true then I wonder how they got hands on a fan creation before someone posted it online himself. You see that doesn't make much sense to me for them to get this all handed from a fan.
canadianparkfan wrote:^There's also NL2, where it really doesn't cost much to make a layout in.

That white on black lay-out maybe, it still is missing it's joints something I see in every NL2, but that other 3D rendering (the colored one on the google earth) must have been a really bad version of NL to look like that, So I believe that must be another program.
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