Dane Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Hi, Why did the loop require heavier trains? Was it for increased momentum? Time for the daily physics lesson: Force = ((velocity^2)*mass)/radius If I assume the force in the loop is too large. The only way they can change the force is by decreasing the mass of the trains. As it is impossible for them to change the velocity of the train entering the loop and the radius of the loop (they would have to construct a new loop). The only way they can change the force the riders experince (us) is by decreasing the mass of the trains. Assumming that it is too expensive to change the trains, they just decided to remove the source of the problem, i.e. the loop. Now the engineer and the riders are happy right? Dane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth2006 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I don't see why the loop being removed is a problem. Many people have told me that this coaster is very rough/painful, so may lighter trains/no loop make the ride a more comfortable expierience. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteocrepaldi Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I can't believe it! I liked SOB and I think the loop was not that painful. Can't wait to test the difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIPDUDE Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^ youre making no sense, becuase they said that having removed the loop they now CAN use lighter trains. not that they removed the loop because it NEEDED lighter trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^ youre making no sense, becuase they said that having removed the loop they now CAN use lighter trains. not that they removed the loop because it NEEDED lighter trains. Maybe it is confusing, what I meant was that if they reduce the mass of the trains the ride becomes less forceful. If they keep the current trains the only way to make the ride less forceful is to remove the loop. Since they dont want to buy new trains, they remove the loop. Dane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIPDUDE Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^ youre making no sense, becuase they said that having removed the loop they now CAN use lighter trains. not that they removed the loop because it NEEDED lighter trains. Maybe it is confusing, what I meant was that if they reduce the mass of the trains the ride becomes less forceful. If they keep the current trains the only way to make the ride less forceful is to remove the loop. Since they dont want to buy new trains, they remove the loop. Dane Again, maybe what I said is confusing. they're BOTH removing the loop AND making the trians lighter. not just doing one in order to not have to do the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnooSnoo Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ginzo speaks sense. Good man. IMO, they made the trains more for the loop then for the wood... hence why the ride was so crap, besides the smooth loop. The trains were heavier because of the added requirements to keep the train on the track during the loop, which lead to un-foreseen stresses on the wooden track. If you think about it, the accident was almost bound to happen. But... it begins... who rode SoB with the loop? I DID!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 SOB is going to be so boring now ... a 200Ft. drop and two big ass helices. Just take it down and build something new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^ youre making no sense, becuase they said that having removed the loop they now CAN use lighter trains. not that they removed the loop because it NEEDED lighter trains. Maybe it is confusing, what I meant was that if they reduce the mass of the trains the ride becomes less forceful. If they keep the current trains the only way to make the ride less forceful is to remove the loop. Since they dont want to buy new trains, they remove the loop. Dane Again, maybe what I said is confusing. they're BOTH removing the loop AND making the trians lighter. not just doing one in order to not have to do the other. Ja, that makes sense, they will make the entire ride less forcefull, by removing the trains and the loop. Sorry for the confusion, Dane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterguy618 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Awww now the only smooth part of the ride is gone. Might as well take the whole thing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterdude5 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Wow, I can't believe that none of you have brought up the biggest deal about this 'loop removal'... IS IT A NEW CREDIT!!?!?!? I mean, we know that Jeff Johnson will count it as a new credit...but what about the rest of you!? Haha, that's what I was thinking. Seriously, I don't know if this is for the better or not, hopefully it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^ youre making no sense, becuase they said that having removed the loop they now CAN use lighter trains. not that they removed the loop because it NEEDED lighter trains. Maybe it is confusing, what I meant was that if they reduce the mass of the trains the ride becomes less forceful. If they keep the current trains the only way to make the ride less forceful is to remove the loop. Since they dont want to buy new trains, they remove the loop. Dane I don't really understand what you're saying either. The loop isn't the problem. That was the smoothest part of the ride. PKI is claiming that the heavy steel coaster trains are tearing up the track. If they can use lighter trains the track won't get torn up as much, and the ride will be smoother. I'm not quite sure why lighter trains won't work in the loop. Are they not durable enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^^From what I've heard, it will still 'basically' be the Premier Trains, just modified versions of them. Not that I doubt or question your sources at all, but I hope they got the info wrong since I've heard nothing good at all about these trains. Nothing to back this up, but the other rumour I'm hearing on other sites is GCI will be supplying custom Flyers made specifically to fit SOB. Probably just wishful thinking on some SOB fanboys part, but I could easily see GCI not wanting to deal with building custom wooden coaster trains that would also be required to negotiate a loop, if they are indeed at all involved in this project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterviper Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I was looking forward to riding the world's only looping coaster. What exact world is this? Not this one! Because this world has many looping coasters! Ok to solve everyones problem as to why they took the loop out. 1.Train tearing up track (rough ride) 2. Loop removed 3. Newer ligher trains 4. Smoother ride! THE END!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen18 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Hey hey hey everyone, lol.. lets take a minute to feel some sympathy for the park loving GP of Ohio ok? Do you knwo how confused these people are and will be? "hey, i like geauga lake and six flags, lets go to sea world too!" "wait, sea world doesnt exist anymore? its called six flags too? Six flags ohio, hm ok.. lets try that.." "six flags worlds of adventure, is that a new park? oh it used ot be six flags ohio, and seaworld together oh ok..." "hey check it out, Son Of Beast, worlds only looping wooden coaster coo its at Paramount's Kings Islandl!" "hey lets go to six flags Ohio, i mean worlds of adventure.. oh wait, its now call Geuga lake or is that a new park? Does Six Flags exist anymore theres still road signs for it somehow.., and theres no seaworld part now, oh hm, so its just geauga lake?" "come on lets go ride Xflight at Six Flags, I mean, Geauga Lake, wait its gone? hm, well lets go to Paramounts Kings Island.." "wait, worlds only wooden looping coaster, wheres the loop, and hey isnt that X Flight?? its here now?, this isnt a Paramount park anymore, is paramount gone, why is it still called Paramount's, wait its owned by the poeple who have Six Flags Ohio and sea world, I mean Worlds of Adventure, I mean Geauga lake? wait and theyre all owned by the same company that owns Cedar Poi *BOOM!!!!*" theyre heads are going crazy now, I mean they were practically in a war zone of 4 major park chains (Cedar Fair, Six Flags, Sea World at one time, and Paramount Parks) Who fought and eventually Cedar Fair just come in and swallowed everyone up lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuggles Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Just so you all know, they removed the loop and took it to cedar point, and are in the process of moving son of beast to cedar point, so CP can have the worlds only looping woodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenDen Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Unfortunately, CF won't get rid of SOB entirely, just look how long they've had Mean Streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollermonkey Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^^^ That's a pretty 'fair' description of the situation in Ohio, but you forgot one bit: Well, we can go to Wyandot lake on the way, right? No, it's closed all year, but when it opens again, all the rides will be gone, so it will be a zoo with waterslides. Oh. And Six Flags sold that one, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStitch626 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Does nobody like loops any more! Hmmm Derek But my guess is he only likes them Vertical? Sorry, I dont really object to the removal but..I'd like to see SOB get new trains one day .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastrfreak2000 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Well this sucks, I never got the SoB credit when I visited PKI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIPDUDE Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I was looking forward to riding the world's only looping coaster. What exact world is this? Not this one! Because this world has many looping coasters! Ok to solve everyones problem as to why they took the loop out. 1.Train tearing up track (rough ride) 2. Loop removed 3. Newer ligher trains 4. Smoother ride! THE END!! you made fun of what I said so dont get mad when I point this out: you just said that the #2 reason that they took the loop out is that the loop was removed? ... thats not making alot of snese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdillaman Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Okay, many people are missing the obvious: The trains are heavier not only to negotiate the loop, per se, but to accomodate the primier looping coaster restraint system. The wierd "lap"bar that actually crosses your chest, with foot restraints thrown in to boot. They can go to simple lapbars without an inversion. Also, if you remember the accident, the most serious injury was a broken chestbone. Anyone who's riden SoB (I have, many times unfortunately) will not be surprised that they broke a chestbone. The pressure on my chest while riding was sometimes so great it made it hard to breathe. CF, IMO, is doing their best to SAVE a record, not getting rid of one, as some on here have stated. They want to save the world's tallest and fastest wooden coaster if they can, but they can't save it in its present form, obviously. This is the cheapest and quickest way to get it "fixed" by next season. Time will tell, but I will bet that the ride will be much improved. I can enjoy a 200+ foot drop when I can actually breathe. -James Dillaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillrider15 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ^ Good explanation. I agree with you. Well they say change is good, so this can only mean good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeemerBoy Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 SCORE!! I just realized I've got a collector's item now. Look out eBay, here I come. Hmmmm, now to decide where to spend that $0.10 when the fierce bidding war is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbesx2 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 This is so unfair! I've never ridden it before! I only wanted to go on it for the loop! All of the rides I've been wanting to ride are either being demolished or modified to the point where there's no point to even ride them! I am really annoyed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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