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What would constitute full scale? I have to say I was hoping for a fair bit higher when I heard the 223' statistic from the dive machine leak a bit ago, but the layout described sounded great. I know there are a lot of detractors, but I think a dive machine could be a good thing if executed properly. I am very excited about the future of CP, moves like the Mantis conversion and Maverick restraints (which could bring it to #1 for me) show the park is listening to the people and taking opportunities to improve their existing coasters. Hints about a promising 5-year plan have been dropped as well, so I wouldn't be too surprised to see a 2016 coaster.

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500+ ft. dive coaster perhaps? Let's see what happens...

 

*grabs popcorn and waits for impending argument*

 

I think the dive machine is just to throw us off

 

-CP is normally pretty good with keeping things tight lipped. I think that this just slipped is almost too good to be true.

- I think they might want the 500ft record before that Orlando Tower thing is built. If they are going for 500 I don't think B&M will really go that large and just skip 400 ft.

-B&M's go up too quick for them to be prepping for a dive coaster this quick. What ever they are doing it is going to be big!

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What would constitute full scale? I have to say I was hoping for a fair bit higher when I heard the 223' statistic from the dive machine leak a bit ago, but the layout described sounded great. I know there are a lot of detractors, but I think a dive machine could be a good thing if executed properly. I am very excited about the future of CP, moves like the Mantis conversion and Maverick restraints (which could bring it to #1 for me) show the park is listening to the people and taking opportunities to improve their existing coasters. Hints about a promising 5-year plan have been dropped as well, so I wouldn't be too surprised to see a 2016 coaster.

 

But why male models?

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^They aren't that good at keeping secrets for example GateKeeper and the Sandusky register leak.

 

Yeah, that. I don't think anyone should be expecting anything 500' + unless they decide to go that direction for 2020 and the 150th anniversary.

 

I think the Sandusky Register leak was legit. 223 (?) seems like a good size for a Dive Coaster, although I was hoping for something around 300 being a spoiled fan of Cedar Point. For 2020, I'd expect something that one ups Millennium Force and Fury 325. Why do I think that? They are already talking about 2020 being a huge year.

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The Register does have a track record at this point. I found it crazy that 2020 is already being talked up here and there as well, definitely has me intrigued. I am wondering if it will be something relatively low to the ground but that will nab speed and length records. As for the male models, David Duchovny can fill you in:

 

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^They aren't that good at keeping secrets for example GateKeeper and the Sandusky register leak.

That's only one leaked ride, They haven't leaked anything the past 2 years (except thing on purpose) and I can' think of anything before that. I kindof agree that the leaked memo was fake. There's just to many questions unanswered. How did they even get it? Why was there a memo with only stats about the ride? It's not like B&M was planning on leaving CP in the dark.

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To be entirely fair to both parties, Cedar Point hasn't had a lot of their upcoming rides leaked in recent years. But then also, in recent years there weren't always rides to leak. It is possible that Sandusky Register was told about the plans for Starlight Experience and just didn't print them because, you know, it was stupid. More than likely because of all the issues involving permits and so on, this would be more likely to leak than, say, a new water slide for Soak City.

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I don't know where else to say this, but there was a man in a black windbreaker that said "Cedar Fair VP of _____" on the breast, I couldn't make it out what it said in the time I saw him. This was by Griffon. I do not believe this supports any acquisition rumor, but rather that they were casing Griffon e because Cedar Point is getting a dive coaster next year.
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I don't know where else to say this, but there was a man in a black windbreaker that said "Cedar Fair VP of _____" on the breast, I couldn't make it out what it said in the time I saw him. This was by Griffon. I do not believe this supports any acquisition rumor, but rather that they were casing Griffon e because Cedar Point is getting a dive coaster next year.

 

Pretty sure Tony Clark was in Florida recently, maybe to ride the other Dive Coaster. This wouldn't shock me, as I know they had some people riding X-Flight prior to installing GateKeeper.

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I'm sure the Cedar Fair execs have made another trip up to Great America to try out Goliath.

 

When Bill Koch was running Holiday World, he would take Pat and their whole caravan of kids around the country to amusement parks to get ideas. Now that the kids are grown up, they do the same.

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I'm sure the Cedar Fair execs have made another trip up to Great America to try out Goliath.

 

When Bill Koch was running Holiday World, he would take Pat and their whole caravan of kids around the country to amusement parks to get ideas. Now that the kids are grown up, they do the same.

 

In completely related news, Tony Clark rode Fury 325 today.

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I'm sure the Cedar Fair execs have made another trip up to Great America to try out Goliath.

 

When Bill Koch was running Holiday World, he would take Pat and their whole caravan of kids around the country to amusement parks to get ideas. Now that the kids are grown up, they do the same.

Lol who's Bill Koch?

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^ A deceased member of the Koch family of Holiday World. He used to be the president of the park, before he handed the control to his son Will, who tragically died in 2010, then his other son, Dan, took control of the park. Without getting into everything that went down and to make a long story short, His son, Dan, now is the owner and President of Alabama Splash Adventure and his grand children (Will's children) now own HW and hold prominent roles within the park. His wife is Pat Koch, who for years greeted guests at the gate at HW, and could be found throughout the park sweeping and cleaning. She is now with Dan at ASA doing the exact same thing.

 

Wow, I really showed my inner HW fanboy there, but the Koch family is kind of famous throughout the amusement industry and among enthusiasts.

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I don't know where else to say this, but there was a man in a black windbreaker that said "Cedar Fair VP of _____" on the breast, I couldn't make it out what it said in the time I saw him. This was by Griffon. I do not believe this supports any acquisition rumor, but rather that they were casing Griffon e because Cedar Point is getting a dive coaster next year.

 

I know what windbreaker you're talking about. There are TONS of them that actually say "VIP." They were given to season pass holders for free a few years back. I live 10 minutes from cedar point and the local goodwill stores have tons of those jackets that were donated since then.

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^ A deceased member of the Koch family of Holiday World. He used to be the president of the park, before he handed the control to his son Will, who tragically died in 2010, then his other son, Dan, took control of the park. Without getting into everything that went down and to make a long story short, His son, Dan, now is the owner and President of Alabama Splash Adventure and his grand children (Will's children) now own HW and hold prominent roles within the park. His wife is Pat Koch, who for years greeted guests at the gate at HW, and could be found throughout the park sweeping and cleaning. She is now with Dan at ASA doing the exact same thing.

 

Wow, I really showed my inner HW fanboy there, but the Koch family is kind of famous throughout the amusement industry and among enthusiasts.

Oh...... I thought he miswrote Will.

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Don Helbig rode Fury today as well, I wonder if he'll want to push for a B&M giga now. Should be interesting to see what type of coaster KI opts for next with its proximity to CP. It seems like Cedar Fair have only added things to KI that were longtime staples at the Point (Diamondback/Magnum, Banshee/Raptor).

 

As for CP itself, whispers of execs riding dive machines is an interesting development. My guess/hope is that the dive coaster is legit, and that we'll see RMC at the park for one or more projects before the big 150. If Mean Streak is converted, I hope that topper track is used in a new layout to keep it as a wood coaster.

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Don Helbig rode Fury today as well, I wonder if he'll want to push for a B&M giga now. Should be interesting to see what type of coaster KI opts for next with its proximity to CP. It seems like Cedar Fair have only added things to KI that were longtime staples at the Point (Diamondback/Magnum, Banshee/Raptor).

 

I think you are reading a little too far into things. Important people from parks throughout the chain are going to be invited to ride the chain's most recent capital investment. It doesn't mean they are there to determine if Kings Island should receive a giga-coaster, but simply a bunch of executives trying out the company's new toy. Think of it as a family member hosting a house warming party when they move into a new home. Using your logic, since Tony Clark rode Fury 325, it could be speculated that Cedar Point is looking into a B&M giga to complement Millennium Force.

 

Also, it's a bit of a stretch to assume Cedar Fair is only adding things that were longtime staples at Cedar Point to Kings Island. The best justification was that Kings Island was desperately in need for a signature steel coaster when Diamondback was built, and Banshee filled the marquee roller coaster need once SOB was removed.

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