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Today is the last day of daily operations, Dinosaurs Alive, and Witches Wheel. A lot to say goodbye to.

 

 

Was there any kind of farewell ceremony for Witches Wheel?

 

I don't think so. A thunderstorm came in around closing time, cutting things short.

 

Park was pretty packed yesterday. Getting in around 12:30 CPS lot was full. I luckily found a spot as someone was leaving.

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Despite the hype I honestly feel like Steel Vengeance is (gasp) the least aggressively violent RMC I've ever been on aside from maybe Goliath and New Texas Giant. The transitions are all really fluid and flow well and it seems like it was designed for the masses more than the others (though it does this while delivering a massive assload of airtime).

 

It's an amazing ride because the elements are all awesome and it's easily my favorite RMC, but I feel like if Steel Vengeance is too much for you then something like Lightning Rod or even Storm Chaser (which is loaded with violent awkward bucking which Steel Vengeance has essentially none of) might literally kill you.

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Despite the hype I honestly feel like Steel Vengeance is (gasp) the least aggressively violent RMC I've ever been on aside from maybe Goliath and New Texas Giant. The transitions are all really fluid and flow well and it seems like it was designed for the masses more than the others (though it does this while delivering a massive assload of airtime).

 

It's an amazing ride because the elements are all awesome and it's easily my favorite RMC, but I feel like if Steel Vengeance is too much for you then something like Lightning Rod or even Storm Chaser (which is loaded with violent awkward bucking which Steel Vengeance has essentially none of) might literally kill you.

 

I really, absolutely, think its' the design of the restraints/trains tho. at least for me.

 

I mean, Magnum has a ton of bucking, and it's never really caused me to get off it hurting.

 

and tho I agree with you on Texas Giant (which I just rode for the 1st time three days ago, and found the 2nd half of the ride to be slow and meandering). . it and iron Rattler have the older version of the restraints (yeah, I realize a different train manufacturer too), but the restraints don't bother me at all.

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Since you mentioned Magnum... it's my firm belief that a lot of people who complain about bruises / pain on Steel Vengeance got them from Magnum and Steel Vengeance hits you in the same spots so they blame Steel Vengeance. I know it happened to Brit and now she can ride Steel Vengeance as much as she wants by avoiding Magnum (which isn't exactly a tough thing for her to do, lol).

 

Personally I just ride them both because I don't care.

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The comparative lack of "RMC aggression" is the only thing preventing Steel Vengeance from being my #1 coaster, honestly. The most violent airtime on the ride is probably the double-up into the MCBR. I think part of this has to do with how long and sustained the ejector air over the big elements is, it's not going to be quite as abrupt as on a smaller RMC.

 

That's why I really need to get on Lightning Rod. I feel like the aggressiveness will be right up my alley.

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Since you mentioned Magnum... it's my firm belief that a lot of people who complain about bruises / pain on Steel Vengeance got them from Magnum and Steel Vengeance hits you in the same spots so they blame Steel Vengeance. I know it happened to Brit and now she can ride Steel Vengeance as much as she wants by avoiding Magnum (which isn't exactly a tough thing for her to do, lol).

 

 

Oh, I'm sure that's absolutely true too.

 

I *definitely* will be riding SV if/when I make it back to CP in the future.

 

I came in with a disadvantage on my visit because it was the tail end of a 2 week trip, and I was already pretty badly injured before we even got to CP (that's because of MY choice to get on Skyrush, knowing I was still pretty bruised from TT). LOL.. some of my tripmates were giving me crap for not riding SV on the 1st night of ERT - until I showed them a picture of my bruising (I'll share it in my TR when I get to CP), and then - seriously - the person who was giving me the most grief took one look at it, and said: you get a pass, don't ride it.

 

I DID ride it the 2nd night of ERT, just once, and thank goodness rode it with Chase, who had ridden it so many times, he offered to ride it with me and was able to warn me where to brace. . so it wasn't too awful, tho I was only able to ride it once (and skipped Magnum completely on this trip, as i was already having trouble walking).

 

but was able to ride Maverick 6 times during final night ERT. . so anything without the restraints hitting in that spot on my thigh was A-OK (tho bending my leg to get in and out of the Maverick trains that final night was graceful (like a deer with an arrow thru it's head). . but luckily the Station guy didn't make me switch seats every time, so got to ride twice each time I got in the train. . LOL

 

 

oh, and don't get me wrong. . I am absolutely *not* complaining.. just explaining. If I get the opportunity to travel w/ TPR again, I'll absolutely do it, and make sure to bring my compression wrap for my Quads

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Since you mentioned Magnum... it's my firm belief that a lot of people who complain about bruises / pain on Steel Vengeance got them from Magnum and Steel Vengeance hits you in the same spots so they blame Steel Vengeance. I know it happened to Brit and now she can ride Steel Vengeance as much as she wants by avoiding Magnum (which isn't exactly a tough thing for her to do, lol).

 

Personally I just ride them both because I don't care.

 

My thighs were a bit sore on Millennium Force after a trimless Magnum ride. I definitely buy into the theory it's all Magnum's fault. Though it's totally worth riding Magnum because of how wrong and intense that air is.

 

I find the snap out of the zero-G stall and the double up entering the MCBR to be two of RMC's most aggressive elements, but they're still comfortable.

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These comments about Steel Vengeance having uncomfortable restraints are hilarious. What are you people talking about?

 

If you are not 6'6" (or taller), then you really wouldn't know. You may or may not be, who knows, but it gets extremely uncomfortable after a few rides and how those lapbars secure my legs. Just like I prefer Maverick's OLD restraints as the new ones actually are more uncomfortable as the softer vest now digs into my shoulders. The old version didn't. What is comfortable for one body type isn't always as comfortable (or uncomfortable) for another.

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These comments about Steel Vengeance having uncomfortable restraints are hilarious. What are you people talking about?

 

If you are not 6'6" (or taller), then you really wouldn't know.

What. The. Actual. F*ck.

 

6 feet 6 inches? Dude, 0.15% of people are that height, and the bitching is coming from way more than that. I suggest you march right down to the closest university, enroll in Statistics 101, and come back to us at the end of the semestre with a real argument.

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6 feet 6 inches? Dude, 0.15% of people are that height, and the bitching is coming from way more than that. I suggest you march right down to the closest university, enroll in Statistics 101, and come back to us at the end of the semestre with a real argument.

 

Huh? You ok over there? What exactly is your point?

 

My only point was that for ME (and likely other tall people, the few percentage we may be...), the restraints are not comfortable with the strong air. That’s it. Bill made comment like anyone finding the restraints uncomfortable is silly, so I shared my perspective.

 

Oh, and no thanks on statistics… After engineering school, I’m good with all that! (Still don't get your point with that one though...)

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Don't lie to me. You used extreme height as an explanation for why people are complaining about Steel Vengeance. Not sure if that stellar logic or the assertion that Bill doesn't understand what it's like to be tall is more hilarious.

 

Oh boy.

 

why does it matter? dude said its not comfortable for him and pointed at possible height issues for him. Just go on enjoying it without caring if other people are comfortable or not.

 

 

 

Back to your normally scheduled programming...

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Well...I'm 5'8" with a few extra pounds and was at CP for 3 days and left with no pain or bruises after riding all the coasters multiple times. Maybe "I'm" doing it wrong leaving so unscathed. Anyway, I've seen numerous people say the (SV) restraints were uncomfortable among the many coaster groups on FB and other forums. A good portion of those were much taller than me. (6'1" and up). I can see why someone who is over that height may have issues because...well they have longer legs with less room. I can't explain those of a more average height and their issues, but we all experience these rides in our own ways. Maybe the restraint wasn't low enough...too tight? At the end of the day, let's just all have the best day ever!

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For me at 6'1" it's more the shins, not the thighs. If I don't leave some space between my shins and the guard, it'll wreak havoc on them the whole ride. It doesn't matter which RMC, and even applies to the Premier launched coasters with shin guards, Sky Rocket, FoF, Mr. Freeze, etc.. I've learned the hard way, and subsequently felt like I had shin splints for a week. I definitely could not ride a bunch of times if I couldn't adjust my legs out of the way of the guard a bit. I'm not complaining, because it's very minimal and easily corrected, just sharing my observation.

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Today is the last day of daily operations, Dinosaurs Alive, and Witches Wheel. A lot to say goodbye to.

 

 

Was there any kind of farewell ceremony for Witches Wheel?

 

I think that there may have been something involving the eye of newt and toe of frog, wool of bat and tongue of dog.

 

Or nothing at all...

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I dunno, I found the SV trains and restrains to be absurdly comfortable (but I am 6 foot and of "normal" proportions).

 

I shudder (in excitement) at the thought that Storm Chaser has more intense bucking than SV, given that the final run into the final break on SV seems full of "awkward bucking." (I also think Iron Rattler is less intense than SV.)

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Don't lie to me. You used extreme height as an explanation for why people are complaining about Steel Vengeance. Not sure if that stellar logic or the assertion that Bill doesn't understand what it's like to be tall is more hilarious.

 

I don't even understand how some of these arguments start

 

coasterbill asked why people are complaining about the restraints.

 

invertalon stated why he did not like the restraints, he stated his point of view based on his opinion.

 

ytterbiumanalyst you implied that invertalon used extreme height to justify why others are complaining. I read it that invertalon was only stating his opinion, and that others 6ft 6in and taller would agree. He never implied that all the complaining was due to tall people.

 

As numerous people have stated throughout this argument they is no one perfect restraint for every person and every coaster. Taller people and shorter people will argue about the same restraint. Rounder people and thinner people will argue about the same restraint. There is not one size fits all because we are not all the same size.

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Speaking of restraints, can we just talk about how quick the SV crew is at checking them? Their procedure is so quick, and it means that not only one, but TWO employees check your restraint in a timeframe of less than a minute. I was extremely impressed at how quickly the line moved, considering only two trains were running.

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These comments about Steel Vengeance having uncomfortable restraints are hilarious. What are you people talking about?

 

Sorry man, that comes across as pretty condescending. RMCs murder my thighs. It's not the type of pain that I can tolerate easily in the name of "fun", either, like on Magnum and some other coasters. They are so painful that I basically can't think of anything else besides getting off of the ride. This is not an exaggeration.

 

In my original comment that started this discussion, I noted how Steel Vengeance's trains were a godsend for having the handlebars and allow me to gain leverage and lessen the pressure on my legs. I am able to enjoy SV where as I have not been able to find enjoyment in any other RMC. As I said before, I hope that they add these bars to the others.

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Don't lie to me. You used extreme height as an explanation for why people are complaining about Steel Vengeance. Not sure if that stellar logic or the assertion that Bill doesn't understand what it's like to be tall is more hilarious.

 

I don't even understand how some of these arguments start

 

coasterbill asked why people are complaining about the restraints.

 

invertalon stated why he did not like the restraints, he stated his point of view based on his opinion.

 

ytterbiumanalyst you implied that invertalon used extreme height to justify why others are complaining. I read it that invertalon was only stating his opinion, and that others 6ft 6in and taller would agree. He never implied that all the complaining was due to tall people.

 

As numerous people have stated throughout this argument they is no one perfect restraint for every person and every coaster. Taller people and shorter people will argue about the same restraint. Rounder people and thinner people will argue about the same restraint. There is not one size fits all because we are not all the same size.

Seems fair to me. I weighted heavily the sentence "If you're not 6 ft 6 in you wouldn't understand," as though the complaints are coming from those 6 ft 6 in or taller, and that is absurd. I can accept that it was just a poorly worded sentence, as without it the tone is quite different.

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