WonderlandFan Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Has anybody checked on the wall lately? The last part should be up this week, right? Do you have a pic of wall leading up to today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiABeta Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 It's a teaser for Valravn! BTW does anyone think that Valravn will have the new B&M restraints? I thought the same, but someone else earlier brought up that dive machines have very little head banging to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SbSteveZ Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I was just hovering around the B&M website and I noticed a few things about the different dive coasters they have shown. Oblivion seats 8 across, the arrangement CP wants. But it only has 2 cars, AND it has a floor... Cost: 12 Million GBP Sheikra's track spine seems to be more wide than it is thick - like the ones at the plant. it also seats 8 across, but it has 3 cars and is floorless - Cost: 13.5 Million. Length of over 3,000 feet. This makes me think M wont be too far off... but it is 10 years old... Griffon was 15,6 million, but its 10 across. I feel like that could possibly be why it has larger track than it's coaster counterparts and possibly also why it cost more. Larger trains create more stress. so I feel like unless CP adds a 4th car or something bizzare, maybe again, 15 Million wont be too far off. I have Krake here to show how the spine changes thickness. If you look by the bottom of the immelman its clearly thicker than by the coaster train in this image. So I'd say spine thickness isnt always a 100% accurate determinate of coaster type - just for fun - this one cost 12 million euros and is 1,562 feet long. Just a random little 6 seat wide dive machine to show that the track isnt always HUGE. This coaster opened up this year - its 1,857 feet long, and like krake, it was 12 millon Euros to build So, price wise, as I mentioned a few times, maybe $15M isn't too far off at all... We've all been comparing it to Griffon, but in all honesty, griffon has 6 more seats per train than Valravn would have, That adds weight which I'm sure increases stress and therefore requires a thicker spine. The last dive machine to be built cost $13,052,220.00 according to a currency converter. yes it is a 6 per row version, and it is shorter, but in the end, as someone else mentioned, maybe $15M isn't the final price tag either. Sorry it's late, but I wanted to get my two cents in before the actual ride is announced. If it even is a Dive Machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcurry11 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 ^All interesting points. I'm still extremely skeptical on the budget that was released, and could deffinetly see it being more around the 20-25 when its all done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB305 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Just curious, where in the world did we hear from a decent source they wanted 8 across seating? That seems illogical, I'd assume they would want as much capacity as they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossed Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Just curious, where in the world did we hear from a decent source they wanted 8 across seating? That seems illogical, I'd assume they would want as much capacity as they can get. It was in the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Just curious, where in the world did we hear from a decent source they wanted 8 across seating? That seems illogical, I'd assume they would want as much capacity as they can get. Longer the line, the more people that would buy flash passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Just curious, where in the world did we hear from a decent source they wanted 8 across seating? That seems illogical, I'd assume they would want as much capacity as they can get. Longer the line, the more people that would buy flash passes They could buy Flash Passes if this ride were built at Six Flags... But I don't think their Flash Pass would do them much good at Cedar Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christianscoasters Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Just curious, where in the world did we hear from a decent source they wanted 8 across seating? That seems illogical, I'd assume they would want as much capacity as they can get. Longer the line, the more people that would buy flash passes CP does everything to maximize capacity and has some of the best operations out there because it pulls in huge crowds. CP does not intentionally create a long line. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithPlus1 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Just curious, where in the world did we hear from a decent source they wanted 8 across seating? That seems illogical, I'd assume they would want as much capacity as they can get. Longer the line, the more people that would buy flash passes They could buy Flash Passes if this ride were built at Six Flags... But I don't think their Flash Pass would do them much good at Cedar Point. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillrider Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I just posted some pictures from the park on the 4th of July here..... http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70615&start=70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarFlags Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Just curious, where in the world did we hear from a decent source they wanted 8 across seating? That seems illogical, I'd assume they would want as much capacity as they can get. Longer the line, the more people that would buy flash passes CP does everything to maximize capacity and has some of the best operations out there because it pulls in huge crowds. CP does not intentionally create a long line. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen on this forum. I agree. A park that has multiple coasters with double stations obviously places an extremely high value on efficiency and capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Just curious, where in the world did we hear from a decent source they wanted 8 across seating? That seems illogical, I'd assume they would want as much capacity as they can get. Longer the line, the more people that would buy flash passes CP does everything to maximize capacity and has some of the best operations out there because it pulls in huge crowds. CP does not intentionally create a long line. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen on this forum. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sorry for the double post. Still looking to see if anyone knows the up charge cost of the slingshot at Cedar Point. And which is better, Kings Island or Cedar Point?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossed Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sorry for the double post. Still looking to see if anyone knows the up charge cost of the slingshot at Cedar Point. And which is better, Kings Island or Cedar Point?!? I can't tell you for sure, but I remember seeing at least one of the slingshots had a varied price depending on the time of day and business of the park. I believe it was Kings Island where it ranged from 15(maybe even 5...) during early entry, to 25 in the late afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koasterking48 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 CP does everything to maximize capacity and has THE BEST operations out there because it pulls in huge crowds Fixed. I have yet to visit a park with better operations than Cedar Point. Even on slow days, every coaster (minus Wicked Twister obviously) runs at least two trains. It's clear that the park prides itself in getting the line moving as fast as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Kidd Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sorry for the double post. Still looking to see if anyone knows the up charge cost of the slingshot at Cedar Point. And which is better, Kings Island or Cedar Point?!? Both CP and KI ( and I'm sure many others) vary the price based on demand. I can't tell you for sure, but I remember seeing at least one of the slingshots had a varied price depending on the time of day and business of the park. I believe it was Kings Island where it ranged from 15(maybe even 5...) during early entry, to 25 in the late afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWAddington Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Cedar Point's Slingshot is always $25. The park also seems to be pushing people through the lines faster now, compared to the beginning of the season where they didn't start checking restraints until the station was empty of guests from the train that just came in. That seems to have been fixed, Rougarou was bad when they did that, plus GateKeeper which is a people eater, was stacking 3 trains consistently while trying that method out. Glad its gone now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 CP does everything to maximize capacity and has THE BEST operations out there because it pulls in huge crowds Fixed. I have yet to visit a park with better operations than Cedar Point. Even on slow days, every coaster (minus Wicked Twister obviously) runs at least two trains. It's clear that the park prides itself in getting the line moving as fast as possible. As far as American regional corporate parks go I would agree that Cedar Point has the best operations out there. Sure parks like Knoebels still put them to shame, but they also have far less ridiculous safety devices / scans and checks to contend with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepoint4life23 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Everytime i go to cedar point the Price for Slingshot and other rides like that the Price is set. The last times i was at kings island the price for the rides change as the day goes on and the amount of people in the park. sometimes they do buy one get one or 15 a person things like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricUncleSam Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 CP does everything to maximize capacity and has THE BEST operations out there because it pulls in huge crowds Fixed. I have yet to visit a park with better operations than Cedar Point. Even on slow days, every coaster (minus Wicked Twister obviously) runs at least two trains. It's clear that the park prides itself in getting the line moving as fast as possible. As far as American regional corporate parks go I would agree that Cedar Point has the best operations out there. Sure parks like Knoebels still put them to shame, but they also have far less ridiculous safety devices / scans and checks to contend with. You're shitting, right? There's a difference between being efficient and bitchy. Last time I was on GateKeeper, one of the ride ops was running up and down the station, taking everyone's stuff, just tossing it into the bins, and practically shoving people into the seats. And if you didn't teleport to the seat and magically do your restraint instantly, you would get some dirty-ass look as she slammed the restraint down and shoved the seatbelt into the lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 To be honest I've never experienced anything like that at Cedar Point. If that was in-fact going on, then I agree that it's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB305 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 CP does everything to maximize capacity and has THE BEST operations out there because it pulls in huge crowds Fixed. I have yet to visit a park with better operations than Cedar Point. Even on slow days, every coaster (minus Wicked Twister obviously) runs at least two trains. It's clear that the park prides itself in getting the line moving as fast as possible. As far as American regional corporate parks go I would agree that Cedar Point has the best operations out there. Sure parks like Knoebels still put them to shame, but they also have far less ridiculous safety devices / scans and checks to contend with. You're shitting, right? There's a difference between being efficient and bitchy. Last time I was on GateKeeper, one of the ride ops was running up and down the station, taking everyone's stuff, just tossing it into the bins, and practically shoving people into the seats. And if you didn't teleport to the seat and magically do your restraint instantly, you would get some dirty-ass look as she slammed the restraint down and shoved the seatbelt into the lock. Yup, I'm sure every op at Cedar Point is like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 CP does everything to maximize capacity and has THE BEST operations out there because it pulls in huge crowds Fixed. I have yet to visit a park with better operations than Cedar Point. Even on slow days, every coaster (minus Wicked Twister obviously) runs at least two trains. It's clear that the park prides itself in getting the line moving as fast as possible. As far as American regional corporate parks go I would agree that Cedar Point has the best operations out there. Sure parks like Knoebels still put them to shame, but they also have far less ridiculous safety devices / scans and checks to contend with. You're shitting, right? There's a difference between being efficient and bitchy. Last time I was on GateKeeper, one of the ride ops was running up and down the station, taking everyone's stuff, just tossing it into the bins, and practically shoving people into the seats. And if you didn't teleport to the seat and magically do your restraint instantly, you would get some dirty-ass look as she slammed the restraint down and shoved the seatbelt into the lock. Well at least she was working hard to get the trains out quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwgator Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Last time I was on GateKeeper, one of the ride ops was running up and down the station, taking everyone's stuff, just tossing it into the bins, If I were to see something like this going on I would be reporting that person to guest relations or whoever else needs to be informed. I don't know all the ins and outs of park operations, but I thought the bins were put in use so that employees didn't have to handle riders belongings and therefore the park can state they aren't responsible for them (this outside of providing a place for loose articles). I would think an employee taking them and putting them in for you would make them responsible should they go missing or broken. This is one reason they are starting to put lockers in now with new coasters (besides increasing capacity)....they will be at the rest soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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