Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

[A.J.]

Forgive my ignorance, but how can you patent bending and twisting what amounts to a variation of a simple I-beam?

[DoinItForTheFame]

Forgive my ignorance, but how can you patent bending and twisting what amounts to a variation of a simple I-beam?

 

[Superbatboy]

Forgive my ignorance, but how can you patent bending and twisting what amounts to a variation of a simple I-beam?

Maybe the theory isnt as simple as that, Alan himself said there was a patent on the track style in a interview at IAAPA 2014.

[WickedCycloneFreak]

From RMC's website:

Traditional wood tracks require a lot maintenance and high maintenance equals high costs. Our new IBox Track steel technology reduces maintenance costs significantly as well as increasing the track life and in turn reduces the overhead, resulting in substantial long term savings.

 

A complete, all steel track system, the IBox Track eliminates the need for a wood stack as the new track sits on all steel ledgers. This new track allows you to add new thrilling elements to the coaster that traditional wood tracks do not allow. Patent US 8,590,455

[Superbatboy]

From RMC's website:

Traditional wood tracks require a lot maintenance and high maintenance equals high costs. Our new IBox Track steel technology reduces maintenance costs significantly as well as increasing the track life and in turn reduces the overhead, resulting in substantial long term savings.

 

A complete, all steel track system, the IBox Track eliminates the need for a wood stack as the new track sits on all steel ledgers. This new track allows you to add new thrilling elements to the coaster that traditional wood tracks do not allow. Patent US 8,590,455

[larrygator]

Forgive my ignorance, but how can you patent bending and twisting what amounts to a variation of a simple I-beam?

 

I'm not sure that we have any patent lawyers on TPR that can properly answer that questions. Patent law can be complex.

[coasterbill]

I'm not sure that we have any patent lawyers on TPR that can properly answer that questions. Patent law can be complex.

 

We don't have any mechanics with experience working on complex launched wooden roller coasters either but that never stopped anyone from providing us with page after page worth of unimaginable horse sh*t about how they should have built it and what the P.R. team is doing wrong during the delay. The TPR patent law experts will be here soon. It's best to just get a beer or twelve and prepare for the inevitable.

[Comeagain?]

I believe it's specifically the process that's patented. And the fact that none of the material is actually bent, nor is there an I beam anywhere.

[ytterbiumanalyst]

Speaking as an unlicensed armchair patent lawyer who has never even attended a law class of any kind, I can say with certainty that since this is a US patent, it doesn't apply on the moon. Anyone can build an I-box coaster on the moon.

[scbt]

Okay, so I am not an expert in this, but here is the patent in question. - http://www.google.com/patents/US8590455

 

 

If I'm understanding it right, the patent is for their method of fabricating the tracks. What it seems like they do is plasma cut out pieces of flat steel and use them to assemble the curves, instead of heating and bending the metal to make the curves. This process keeps the tracks stronger than they would be if they were bent into shape.

[DILinator]

I'm not sure that we have any patent lawyers on TPR that can properly answer that questions. Patent law can be complex.

 

We don't have any mechanics with experience working on complex launched wooden roller coasters either but that never stopped anyone from providing us with page after page worth of unimaginable horse sh*t about how they should have built it and what the P.R. team is doing wrong during the delay. The TPR patent law experts will be here soon. It's best to just get a beer or twelve and prepare for the inevitable.

 

 

[technfxrick]

I'm not sure that we have any patent lawyers on TPR that can properly answer that questions. Patent law can be complex.

 

We don't have any mechanics with experience working on complex launched wooden roller coasters either but that never stopped anyone from providing us with page after page worth of unimaginable horse sh*t about how they should have built it and what the P.R. team is doing wrong during the delay. The TPR patent law experts will be here soon. It's best to just get a beer or twelve and prepare for the inevitable.

 

This may be the best thing i have read on the internet in a long long time

[Comeagain?]

Okay, so I am not an expert in this, but here is the patent in question. - http://www.google.com/patents/US8590455

 

 

If I'm understanding it right, the patent is for their method of fabricating the tracks. What it seems like they do is plasma cut out pieces of flat steel and use them to assemble the curves, instead of heating and bending the metal to make the curves. This process keeps the tracks stronger than they would be if they were bent into shape.

 

Correct. Stronger, and doesn't require large powerful equipment to bend anything in a precise shape.

[A.J.]

If I'm understanding it right, the patent is for their method of fabricating the tracks. What it seems like they do is plasma cut out pieces of flat steel and use them to assemble the curves, instead of heating and bending the metal to make the curves. This process keeps the tracks stronger than they would be if they were bent into shape.

Kind of like pre-fabricating a wooden coaster. Got it, makes sense.

[WickedCycloneFreak]

Speaking as an unlicensed armchair patent lawyer who has never even attended a law class of any kind, I can say with certainty that since this is a US patent, it doesn't apply on the moon. Anyone can build an I-box coaster on the moon.

[Myself]

Am I understanding this correctly? Based on the concept art...

I'm guessing the ride will be set up in this space? I don't imagine they'd take Corkscrew down so shortly after refurbishing and moving it...

[Nrthwnd]

^ That looks about right to me, for it's future location. Right between the Corkscrew and Dragon 2000.

I'm sure pathways and such will be redesigned and relocated for walking through and around it all.

[gerstlaueringvar]

Nagashima Spa Land looks like a real RCT park.

[SixFlagsAstroworld]

Nagashima Spa Land looks like a real RCT park.

 

 

It feels that way. It's easy to recreate it on rct3.

[Imagineer Josh]

Nagashima Spa Land looks like a real RCT park.

 

Can you explain more on this idea?

 

It feels that way. It's easy to recreate it on rct3.

 

Except for Steel Dragon 2000's support structure

[gerstlaueringvar]

Very very standard flat rides with the exception of a Zierer inverted flying carpet, roller coasters are mostly clones or has uninspiring layout, water park only has basic slides, nearly everything is in its own rectangular block.

[Gutterflower]

It seems ACE did a tour of the S&S factory and saw parts of the trains for this ride.

Got to say they've gone with some pretty bright colours

 

 

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[DoinItForTheFame]

 

Those colors though. . . It's like it was meant to be "McDonalds Play Place The Ride."

 

[yay101]

^ That is not a bad thing; McDonalds is one of the best fast food restaurants out there. I'd rather have a McDonalds themed Freespin at SFGAm than the Joker .

[Gutterflower]

We have vertical construction

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