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Nice report.

 

Yeah Flight of Fear at Kings Dominion is infinitely smoother and better than the KI version. I don't really understand how that's possible but I also remember being let down by this one.

 

Thanks! And yeah, it's not that it's bone-shakingly rough, but it has a number of jarring direction changes that, unless you can see them coming, give you a kind of whiplash effect. I had a pretty good idea of what the track did before riding and yet it still nailed me a few times. Perhaps a front-seat ride is the way to go to get a clearer idea of the turns, but FoF had seat allocation and on both rides and I got stuck toward the back. It is a ride that I'd check out at a different park though if I had the opportunity.

 

Great report, and thanks for the detailed reviews. I agree KI has a few hits (Bat is underrated!) but most of the rides are getting older and more rough. I visited 2 weeks ago for then first time since Oct 2014, and didn't feel compelled to ride Firehawk, Invertigo, Flight of Fear, or Vortex, or Backlot. Rides like Invertigo and Firehawk haven't been visited in 5+ years probably. Not sure how the park is going to go about updating these attractions, but they've got a handful of coasters that need to be replaced.

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Great report, and thanks for the detailed reviews. I agree KI has a few hits (Bat is underrated!) but most of the rides are getting older and more rough. I visited 2 weeks ago for then first time since Oct 2014, and didn't feel compelled to ride Firehawk, Invertigo, Flight of Fear, or Vortex, or Backlot. Rides like Invertigo and Firehawk haven't been visited in 5+ years probably. Not sure how the park is going to go about updating these attractions, but they've got a handful of coasters that need to be replaced.

Thanks! Yeah, I was surprised by how distanced the idea I had of the park in my mind was from the reality. There was really nothing 'bad' about the place, and several of the rides were amazing (Diamondback. The Beast, The Bat), but I thought the park was going to be quite different to what it was. Still, I had a great time there (despite the headache).

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Nice report, Arthur. As far as your sentiment of the park, I can see how your point of view would be altered from coming from Cedar Point, but what I love about this park is just how sprawled out it is. On the flip side, on my last visit to CP I felt like there was just too much to enjoy everything. I also love the cheesy nostalgic pieces like Bat and Beast.

 

I strongly agree with you on your opinion of Diamondback. Although it's not my favorite coaster, it's definitely my favorite B&M hypers, and I am a big fan of B&M hypers. This coaster really does it for me. As far as Banshee is concerned, I also enjoy that coaster and it's probably my favorite invert. I know what you mean about every element being an inversion, but I feel like it flows so well. As far as the zero G goes, that and the dive following it are probably my favorite two elements on the coaster. People hate on the zero G because it isn't snappy, but to me it really is a zero g moment. It's almost like an airtime hill where you slow to floater air speed, but on Banshee it does a nice little pitch and then a fast dive into the valley. The Jo-Jo roll, or whatever the hell it's called, is the only moment I don't really care for on the coaster. Although that could be what you're talking about. Other than that, I feel like the ride focuses on raw speed, which I love. That and I never get tired of looking at the coaster while hearing the Banshee scream before the drop and the roar of the train.

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I could see the point of adding Mystic Timbers if the park was using it to replace the Racer, but frankly what does this add to the park experience that was lacking? If this were 15-20 years ago, I could possibly see the wisdom of this addition or if it were to have around a 150-160 ft drop as a way to compete against HW's Voyage in being a more modern type, but why this and not an RMC coaster? Why not have RMC make a replacement to Son of Beast that is actually good? KI the park that broke the records for having the longest wooden coaster (still standing record), the first suspended coaster, the most inversions, the first wooden hypercoaster and with a loop at that, is adding a lot of rides that would have been awesome if this were late 90- early 2000s. This coaster would be a great addition to KD which has nothing noteworthy in the wood department, but in the park that has one of the best wooden coasters, I think they need something other than a B grade wooden coaster, considering how many parks small and big are getting RMC coasters in their region. Very strange.

Although I'm looking forward to Mystic Timbers, I do have a mild feeling of disappointment. I hadn't cared enough to really give it enough thought as to where this disappointment comes from, but I can't really disagree with anything you said.

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Nice report, Arthur. As far as your sentiment of the park, I can see how your point of view would be altered from coming from Cedar Point, but what I love about this park is just how sprawled out it is. On the flip side, on my last visit to CP I felt like there was just too much to enjoy everything. I also love the cheesy nostalgic pieces like Bat and Beast.

 

I strongly agree with you on your opinion of Diamondback. Although it's not my favorite coaster, it's definitely my favorite B&M hypers, and I am a big fan of B&M hypers. This coaster really does it for me. As far as Banshee is concerned, I also enjoy that coaster and it's probably my favorite invert. I know what you mean about every element being an inversion, but I feel like it flows so well. As far as the zero G goes, that and the dive following it are probably my favorite two elements on the coaster. People hate on the zero G because it isn't snappy, but to me it really is a zero g moment. It's almost like an airtime hill where you slow to floater air speed, but on Banshee it does a nice little pitch and then a fast dive into the valley. The Jo-Jo roll, or whatever the hell it's called, is the only moment I don't really care for on the coaster. Although that could be what you're talking about. Other than that, I feel like the ride focuses on raw speed, which I love. That and I never get tired of looking at the coaster while hearing the Banshee scream before the drop and the roar of the train.

 

Yeah, you're right — and I considered that sharing the stage with CP would certainly impact my impression of KI. But what was odd was that I'd built KI up into something in my mind that it wasn't. So it was less the park's doing and more my own expectations. For example, the little path to The Beast had all the excitement of a concession stand — the ride was so tucked away back there! For such a historic coaster, I figured there's be a tad more fanfare.

 

I liked the zero-g and that batwing (I think that's what it is) on Banshee because of the elevation change, and yes, that roll at the end was kind of lame. It's a B&M thing I guess as the one on Holiday World's Thunderbird was similarly head scratching. I guess they look cool (not that you can get a clear line of sight of either one), and they catch you off guard (I didn't not know Banshee had that element until I went through it). Because of Banshee's scale, that part felt, to me, where a mid-course break should have been followed by a whole bunch of extra moves. A few helix / corkscrew moves would have proved just as cliche as everything else B&M does, but the ride did feel a bit incomplete to me. Anyhow, my bleating aside, it's a great looking ride, a people-eater, and a solid record breaker for the park. You can't go wrong with B&M in that regard.

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I personally love the in line rolls on both. I think they're great finales to both. I just happen to love the hang time it gives. I like Thunderbird's slightly better for its very unique/weird lateral feeling too. It just comes down to personal preference.

 

Also, did you ride Vortex with your head stuck out? I've found that as the best way to avoid the neck chopping (for my height) that they give with those odd restraints. lol. I've found it to be lightyears better that way. It's still a rough ride and it sounds like a shopping cart slamming into that MCBR but that does make the ride slightly better IMO.

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Is anyone gonna be at the park tomorrow?

 

I plan on it. Can't miss me, really fat sweaty guy with a floppy hat, cargo shorts and two redheads in tow, sitting outside most ride exits becuase he had WAY to much food and drink the past 18 months.

 

Stop by and chat if you dare.

 

(Down 20lbs and will be ride ready next season).

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Yeah, you're right — and I considered that sharing the stage with CP would certainly impact my impression of KI. But what was odd was that I'd built KI up into something in my mind that it wasn't. So it was less the park's doing and more my own expectations.

 

I can really relate this this. My expectations killed Intimidator 305 for me, so when I came to the realization that I would be taking a trip to Carowinds, I tried to go into Fury 325 with lowered expectations and an open mind. Maybe it was because of my improved mindset, or maybe it's just because the ride totally kicks A$$, but man did I have total satisfaction when we hit the break run!

 

Similarly, when we went back to CP this summer I had memories of it being a coaster paradise from our last visit 8 years ago when I had far less coaster experience. I had mentally built it up into the perfect place, but when we got there it was just like most other parks, but it had too many coasters to appreciate them all. I've readjusted my thinking again, so that this weekend when we're at SWO and BGT I don't go into it expecting utopia.

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I was looking over the layout of Mystic Timbers and wondered what you guys think will be the most fun parts of the ride.

 

The 37 barrel rolls, drop track, fire effects and hydraulic launch section in the shed.

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I was looking over the layout of Mystic Timbers and wondered what you guys think will be the most fun parts of the ride.

 

The 37 barrel rolls, drop track, fire effects and hydraulic launch section in the shed.

 

Don't forget the backwards part.

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Just seen on Kings Islands snapchat that footers for Mystic Timbers have started being poured, looks to be quite a few already done, construction seems to be progressing nicely!

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Yup I saw that too, I hope there is some mystical lights added in the woods, so when it gets dark it will add to the theme. If not then its okay, we still have the shed and the coaster is themed to the truck so that's cool.

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Yup I saw that too, I hope there is some mystical lights added in the woods, so when it gets dark it will add to the theme. If not then its okay, we still have the shed and the coaster is themed to the truck so that's cool.

 

That would be awesome! I'd really like that too! It would also help to differentiate the experience from The Beast's legendary night rides, because those are pitch black, while some eerie lighting effects on this would be pretty cool, and a pretty epic "Cedar Fair Theming" addition!

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Here are a few pictures of the new coaster construction that I took today. Please note, all pictures were taken in legal areas.

 

The park had periods of light and heavy rain today and humidity. The waterpark remained closed.

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the new access road

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you can see clearing near the waters edge

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you can get great views of Diamondback™ from over here

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Okay after your CP thread posts I thought maybe you just had unique opinions but now I seriously think you're trolling. Refurb Son of Beast instead the cliched Banshee? Seriously?

 

Making Son of Beast smooth would make for an INCREDIBLE ride. The layout was already good. Like Ghostrider, it just needs much better care and more natural transitions. Banshee is just like every other invert out there except without the unique layout or theming that Alpengeist or Montu have nor the quirkiness that Nemisis has.

 

Because how many inverts do we know that have:

*that style of drop

*dive loop first followed by loop (as opposed to much clichéd loop first followed by zero g roll)

*large drop down a Ravine.

*top speed reached mid way through the ride.

 

Yup Banshee is unoriginal and clichéd for sure.

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