coasterlover420 Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 Is it just me or are Vekoma's new designs somewhat resembling something I've already seen before...? Their "Big Air" scheme looks kinda familiar...hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDCOASTERFAN Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 ^Completely redesigning your track style, restraints, and wheel system is NOT "dressing up an old dog"... The biggest single factor effecting the old vekoma models is track geometry,for instance take a look at the Togo stand ups.They used outside guide wheels that DO contact the rail & yet the ride is still rough as h*ll mainly due to the poor geometry of the curves & transitions in the track. Another example of this would be the PremiereLIM bowl coasters(pre lap bar conversion) although the problem with their rides seemed to stem more from high lateral G's rather than wheel hunting along the track. Vekoma seems to be on the "right track" here with the change in track geometry they've made lately,although we'll have to wait for the official verdict to come down from those who's ridden their next gen coasters just as soon as they've been built & ridden by the GP.Now if only they can just work out the engineering complexities that have been keeping their more ambitious rides plauged with such frequent downtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyUD06 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 kinda looks like they are copying B&M lets see if they can make them smooth as well lol Well, Arrow's not around anymore so they need to copy someone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixedDrink Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Revolution was designed by Schwarzkopf/Stengel for sure, but I've read it was built by Intamin. This would contradict RCDB, though. The track looks a lot like Intamin. From what I have read about Shwarzkopf, Intamin AG was their American "connection" of sorts. So many rides were credited to Intamin. These new Vekoma trains look promising! I really don't care if they look like B&M, as long as they get rid of that Hang 'n' Bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastakid Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 I think this is a great step for Vekoma! I am looking forward to seeing Vekoma finally ranked at the same level as Intamin and B&M coasters. Also, for those of you who have not ridden the Great Nor easter at Morey's Piers with the new seating, I'd just like to let you know, the ride is 100% re ridable and is like day and night to how it used to be. After riding 17 times in a row in the back row, I was actually considering putting it in my top 10 just because it is such a fun ride. -Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msep003 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Which theme park can buy theirs Mega Coasters ? Europe or America ? i would say Port Aventura or Parque de Warner . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollerboy Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Yay, wheels on the outside of the track! That looks so much better than the old Vekoma trains. Good for you Vekoma! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster1227 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 http://www.parkworld-online.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/1554/New_coaster_concepts_from_Vekoma.html Vekoma has unveiled a new coaster concept called Dragon Fly. Riders are tilted forward in a kneeling position on this family swinging flying coaster, pictured here. Vekoma Rides Manufacturing is also now offering four-abreast sit-down and suspended coaster trains for traditional mega coasters and launch coasters. The launch rides are available both with a horizontal launch or a lifthill. The first four-abreast Vekoma coaster appears to be Battlestar Gallactica, a set of duelling coasters at Universal Studios Singapore/Resorts World Sentosa. One track will feature a four-abreast 32-seat train, the second will be with suspended seating. Both trains will be launched on the lift. Each coaster is 1.2km long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyyyper Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Kneeling coasters? how much pot did those guys smoke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I think this concept would be easier to understand if they had people in the rendering. My guess would be that this is like a suspended motorbike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightypotato Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Riders are tilted forward in a kneeling position on this family swinging flying coaster, pictured here. I'm all for innovations with technology and trains and whatnot, but I really have to wonder what Vekoma was thinking with this one. I mean....why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowboard83 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Riders are tilted forward in a kneeling position on this family swinging flying coaster, pictured here. I'm all for innovations with technology and trains and whatnot, but I really have to wonder what Vekoma was thinking with this one. I mean....why? Why not? Only so many things you can do with a coaster. This makes me think Vekoma is trying to bring back the swinging suspended coaster, but with this design. An interesting thought. I just hope it is comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPmaverick Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I really don't see how this could be comfortable. Imagine kneeling on an SLC; that would be quite painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airtime&Gravity Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I don't think you are actually kneeling on this coaster. If you read the article it says riders are tilted into a kneeling position, so this probably just means the seats are tilted to something like a 45 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebl Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 ^ I think the swinging aspect could relieve some of the discomfort of a typical SLC. The "kneeling" riding position may well be interesting. I've always liked Arrow's swinging suspended coaster idea; sadly, the only one I've ridden is Ninja at SFMM. If Vekoma could pull this off, good for them. It looks like they're beginning to overcome their "painful coaster builder" reputation. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuurvogel Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I personally never had a problem with vekoma's roughness. Perhaps because I'm used to them. About half the coasters I have ridden where vekoma's and even the slc prototype 'el condor' does not hurt me, even when this one does not have the banking the others have to even the forces a bit out. And I think it is great that Vekoma comes up with so many new idea's and tries to improve themselfs. it may be a bold statement but what if vekoma never made the lie-down (flying dutchman) concept. Would B&M made their flying concept? I am glad there are companies that try new things. it only is a plus for all coaster enthusiasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themeparkologist Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Maybe it's along the lines of SLCs 'slightly' swinging design and B&M's fixed design, it might be a patent thing where Vekoma does 'laying' flyers and B&M does 'hanging' flyers. It's like they're copying a patent for the 'hanging' flier but changing it ever so slightly so that it's technically different to make their coasters better. Long story short, Vekoma's trying to copy B&M but they can't because of a patent...I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbesx2 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 ^I don't get it- it would be harder to strap people in safely when they are kneeling and the seatbelt always connects between the legs. I think they must mean semi-flying style. Your knees are bent on that I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemical_echo Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 My guess would be that this is like a suspended motorbike. That's what I'm thinking too. Something like riding on the back of a dragon fly (or some other flying creature). It's really hard to tell from the back of the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillgeek Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 it may be a bold statement but what if vekoma never made the lie-down (flying dutchman) concept. Would B&M made their flying concept? I completely agree! Vekoma had a great idea and B&M took it and made it even better. Props to both but it seems Vekoma had the idea 1st. The whole kneeling innovation looks pretty unique too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mochtroid Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I think it's supposed to be like riding a dragon or something. I'll have to wait until I ride it (which'll take forever seeing as Europe gets tons of prototypes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkscrewFoley Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'm starting to think had Intamin came up with the 'kneeling' concept, alot of you would be claiming it gold. Not cool. I've always liked Vekoma, and other than the old trains on Head Spin (when GL was still around) I've never had an issue with the roughness--in fact, I don't think they're as rough as most claim. I quite the SLC's, but I love their mine trains...oh yeah! I do like the four across as well. Oh, and whoever said the copying bit (I'm sorry to ressurect that crap again) Mauher Solne also had a four across X-Car train at the IAAPA show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKI Jizzman Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I'm still not getting this "suspended kneeling tilted coaster" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I saw testing footage of the BSG coaster at Universal Singapore and it looks to be a 4 abreast inverted coaster not the kneeling suspended coaster like the article stated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollin_n_coastin Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 ^^^Hmm...I think the logic would be more like Intamin would never come up with such a concept, and perhaps for good reason. But you never know lol. Leave it Vekoma to come up with a ride where a position of submission is mandatory. Regardless, should be cool to see and try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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