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this looks great, although it does appear (at least to me) that the hang times in the loops & JoJo are slowed down for effect in the animation.

 

but it looks fantastic, if maybe a bit too meandering in the last third. . .

 

makes me wanna go back next year to Carowinds.

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This is really an incredible addition to Carowinds! Man this park has been killing it for a while now, Cedar Fair is really investing the money they need to to make it a destination park. My only complaint when I went this year was their staffing issues where many many rides didn't open until 1pm or so, but in previous years I had never seen Carowinds have that issue. Seems like that might not be unique to Carowinds w/ the issues Kennywood is having right now.

 

As for the Cedar Fair vs. Six Flags thing, it just seems like Cedar Fair views their parks as more long term investments where Six Flags scrounges up some pennies to toss a ride where possible. For example, this Copperhead Strike addition comes with a refurbed restaurant, it's own area, a really long coaster layout from a comparatively expensive manufacturer, the hotel... this is a ton of cash invested. When I see that and compare it to my home park of SFGAm I can't help but see the huge difference. YES an air-powered launch is going to be very intense and unique, I cannot wait to ride Maxx Force (that inversion looks insane) but it's a ~15 second ride. Joker and Goliath, our last 2 coasters, are also infamously short and neither of them came with other large investments into the park. That said, I'll take one of those 400' Star Flyers or 17 story Giant Discoveries any day of the week, Six Flags is doing that part right at least.

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So far I think this will be my most anticipated U.S. coaster next year.

 

Those circular loops could offer some really interesting forces or be the tamest thing ever. It's hard to tell. Overall this is probably the second strongest mega-coaster layout Mack has done after Helix and a pretty good one considering its making do with flat terrain.

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This is really an incredible addition to Carowinds! Man this park has been killing it for a while now, Cedar Fair is really investing the money they need to to make it a destination park. My only complaint when I went this year was their staffing issues where many many rides didn't open until 1pm or so, but in previous years I had never seen Carowinds have that issue. Seems like that might not be unique to Carowinds w/ the issues Kennywood is having right now.

 

As for the Cedar Fair vs. Six Flags thing, it just seems like Cedar Fair views their parks as more long term investments where Six Flags scrounges up some pennies to toss a ride where possible. For example, this Copperhead Strike addition comes with a refurbed restaurant, it's own area, a really long coaster layout from a comparatively expensive manufacturer, the hotel... this is a ton of cash invested. When I see that and compare it to my home park of SFGAm I can't help but see the huge difference. YES an air-powered launch is going to be very intense and unique, I cannot wait to ride Maxx Force (that inversion looks insane) but it's a ~15 second ride. Joker and Goliath, our last 2 coasters, are also infamously short and neither of them came with other large investments into the park. That said, I'll take one of those 400' Star Flyers or 17 story Giant Discoveries any day of the week, Six Flags is doing that part right at least.

 

I dont understand why we have to continue to compare the 2 park chains. Both chains are getting some great rides. They ALL look like a blast, and I can't wait to ride them. Both park chains have pros and cons.

 

With that being said, I wonder if the theaming in the video will carry into real life? I'm loving the barn theme and launch area.

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This looks fantastic! I'll have to plan another trip down to Carowinds next year. It'll be great to have another solid (non-skippable) coaster in the lineup to tear me away from Fury a bit. The theming looks great, and I'm also interested to see how that airtime launch bit will feel!

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You know how Cheetah Hunt's 3rd launch isn't all that intense... that's how I imagine the 2nd launch on Copperhead, but with a normal airtime hill thrown in. I don't think that this element is going to be all that revolutionary. Remember the shed people, don't set yourself up for disappointment. Heck, it's only labelled as a second launch, they didn't even mention it has an a.t. hill in it.

 

With that said, I'm freaking excited for this coaster! The entire thing looks fun from start to finish. I love the theme, the name, the trains look awesome and its a Mack ride to boot! I haven't been on Fury, and I haven't been in a hurry to get back to Carowinds since my last trip in 2010, but this makes me want to go back!

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The coaster looks great!! With that said can someone please explain to me how parks like Carowinds and Canada’s Wonderland continue to get massive investments like this, fury 325, Yukon Striker ...... and how Knott’s has by far the best attenedence in the chain, maybe better than both of these parks combined and hasn’t seen an investment even 25% of this since 2004 with Silver Bullet??? I get space, but Knott’s has space when you add up parking, the shitty hotel and on and on. As a person who lives in Orange County I guess I’m jealous lol. Congrats to Carowinds on yet another massive beautiful coaster!

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The coaster looks great!! With that said can someone please explain to me how parks like Carowinds and Canada’s Wonderland continue to get massive investments like this, fury 325, Yukon Striker ...... and how Knott’s has by far the best attenedence in the chain, maybe better than both of these parks combined and hasn’t seen an investment even 25% of this since 2004 with Silver Bullet??? I get space, but Knott’s has space when you add up parking, the shitty hotel and on and on. As a person who lives in Orange County I guess I’m jealous lol. Congrats to Carowinds on yet another massive beautiful coaster!

 

Knott's just got a pretty phenomenal $10 million coaster this year.

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The coaster looks great!! With that said can someone please explain to me how parks like Carowinds and Canada’s Wonderland continue to get massive investments like this, fury 325, Yukon Striker ...... and how Knott’s has by far the best attenedence in the chain, maybe better than both of these parks combined and hasn’t seen an investment even 25% of this since 2004 with Silver Bullet??? I get space, but Knott’s has space when you add up parking, the shitty hotel and on and on. As a person who lives in Orange County I guess I’m jealous lol. Congrats to Carowinds on yet another massive beautiful coaster!

 

Knott's just got a pretty phenomenal $10 million coaster this year.

 

Trust me I love Hangtime and am very grateful for a legit coaster after 14 years. I just want my Cali Giga already!! Lol

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The coaster looks great!! With that said can someone please explain to me how parks like Carowinds and Canada’s Wonderland continue to get massive investments like this, fury 325, Yukon Striker ...... and how Knott’s has by far the best attenedence in the chain, maybe better than both of these parks combined and hasn’t seen an investment even 25% of this since 2004 with Silver Bullet??? I get space, but Knott’s has space when you add up parking, the shitty hotel and on and on. As a person who lives in Orange County I guess I’m jealous lol. Congrats to Carowinds on yet another massive beautiful coaster!

 

I think you partly answered your own question. Because of its location and tourist traffic, Knotts has a certain built-in draw that likely doesn't necessitate the same type of capital investment to get strong continued attendance. In contrast, cedar fair is really trying to make the two CW's strong destination parks, and thus putting massive capital into them. Just a guess, but there is an obvious difference in investment dollars.

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The coaster looks great!! With that said can someone please explain to me how parks like Carowinds and Canada’s Wonderland continue to get massive investments like this, fury 325, Yukon Striker ...... and how Knott’s has by far the best attenedence in the chain, maybe better than both of these parks combined and hasn’t seen an investment even 25% of this since 2004 with Silver Bullet??? I get space, but Knott’s has space when you add up parking, the shitty hotel and on and on. As a person who lives in Orange County I guess I’m jealous lol. Congrats to Carowinds on yet another massive beautiful coaster!

 

I think you partly answered your own question. Because of its location and tourist traffic, Knotts has a certain built-in draw that likely doesn't necessitate the same type of capital investment to get strong continued attendance. In contrast, cedar fair is really trying to make the two CW's strong destination parks, and thus putting massive capital into them. Just a guess, but there is an obvious difference in investment dollars.

To add on to TurnOfTheCentuty, keep in mind that Knott's literally just received a sizable investment with Hangtime. Sure, it's not quite on the level as Carowind's investment or even Canada's Wonderland, but Knott's has not been neglected any way you look at it IMO.

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Ahhh man, I was all set to make Canada's Wonderland my big first timer park trip next summer...and Carowinds goes and does this.

 

LOL. Don't change your mind. Canada's Wonderland will be my first theme park outside the US next year and I'm very excited! But this announcement from Carowinds is truly mind blowing! I'm sure this addition will be great for the park.

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The coaster looks great!! With that said can someone please explain to me how parks like Carowinds and Canada’s Wonderland continue to get massive investments like this, fury 325, Yukon Striker ...... and how Knott’s has by far the best attenedence in the chain, maybe better than both of these parks combined and hasn’t seen an investment even 25% of this since 2004 with Silver Bullet??? I get space, but Knott’s has space when you add up parking, the shitty hotel and on and on. As a person who lives in Orange County I guess I’m jealous lol. Congrats to Carowinds on yet another massive beautiful coaster!

 

I think you partly answered your own question. Because of its location and tourist traffic, Knotts has a certain built-in draw that likely doesn't necessitate the same type of capital investment to get strong continued attendance. In contrast, cedar fair is really trying to make the two CW's strong destination parks, and thus putting massive capital into them. Just a guess, but there is an obvious difference in investment dollars.

To add on to TurnOfTheCentuty, keep in mind that Knott's literally just received a sizable investment with Hangtime. Sure, it's not quite on the level as Carowind's investment or even Canada's Wonderland, but Knott's has not been neglected any way you look at it IMO.

 

Only 14 years without a major coaster. No big deal.

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Today I was fortunate enough to attend the media day on TPR's behalf. Here are some tidbits some of you may want to know . . .

 

-The talk (more less "you're getting a product") started in 2016, precisely around the time Carolina Harbor was finishing up.

 

-The stars aligned as Mack had an opening slot for a 2019 coaster and Cedar Fair secured it for Carowinds.

 

-As we have seen with the last several years of additions, Carowinds is rebranding itself and being more prideful of their Carolina heritage. As the coaster was being planned, the theming and the story was simultaneously coming together at the park. Carowinds is extremely fortunate that Cedar Fair allows them to have a big voice when it comes to how things are executed at the park. We got our first eye opener of that with the conversion of Boomerang Bay to Carolina Harbor. THe parks upper personnel really pushed for the uniqueness of we now know, and love, as Carolina Harbor.

 

-The park has found a proverbival gold mine with the introduction of the walk around "local" characters. Their presence became more prominent during the teasing campaign for the County Fair addition. We were first introduced to granny when she was going on and on about her prize winning jam. The park decided to expound on that by creating a fleshed out story about her actually making moonshine in a copperhead infested barn, thus naming her "secret" Copperhead Strike.

 

Let's move on to some photos . . .

 

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Will we see what's in the shed??? Barn???

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If you're wondering if Granny's punch packed a punch I am not at liberty to say ;)

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That must be some special "jam" . . .

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Hummm . . .

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Setting up a food station.

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The park had a live band on hand.

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#Noted

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The park generally sets the pace by going over what they have done and what is to come for the remainder of the year.

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The GM, Pat Jones, Basically says, and I paraphrase . . . "You ain't seen nothing YET" lol

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John Taylor continues with promoting Scarowinds since it starts in about two weeks.

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I think he may be in trouble . . .

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The park announced they will have a new years even celebration right at the park this year!

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John Taylor is back to give us the meat of the announcement.

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And he brought some company. Now WHAT could she be looking for???

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After killing a . . . snake, she found what she was looking for. And celebrated with a hefty swig!

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Ah, THAT'S what that was. . . but it's missing something.

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There it is!

 

Back to some tidbits . . .

 

-The new area, Blue Ridge Junction, is a call back of a previous park area that is now the Carolina Boardwalk.

 

-The wings restaurant will get a complete gut job and when it returns, it will have decor similar to that of a Cracker Barrel.

 

-There will be a new path from the current Country Crossroads that will be a segway from that area to the new County Fair.

 

-The hotel is looking to be ready in the fall of 2019. The park had the option to go with a park branded hotel, like Knotts, but opted for a chain as a plus/plus for everyone. People visiting the are with Marriott rewards are more prone to stay there and the park will be able to fill more rooms in the off season.

 

-Now, the one thing that has been having us scratch our heads, the in-park teasers around the chain. It balls down to harmless fun amongst the parks. There is no deeper meaning to the teasers other than having fun.

 

I would like to thank Robb for the opportunity to attend in TIP's behalf and if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

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The launch air-time hill, the compactness of it, this will be an awesome. It's like Maverick evolved into a beast.

 

I get what you mean by calling it Maverick but I think this one will be tamer yet tons of fun. I love Mack coasters and this will be an amazing addition to Carowinds!

 

Cedar Fair just crapped all over all Six Flags' 2019 additions. Well done!

 

Cedar Fair to date

Yukon Striker

Copper Head Strike

Frontier chellenge island thing

Please help me on the rest

Kings Mills autos

WOF?

Dorney?

MIA?

VF?

Knotts?

CGA?

KD?

 

Six Flags

1 giant discovery

2 giga discovery

1 S&S free fly

Endeavor 24

S&S air launch

Premier lsm launch

Chance freestyle

Snake halfpipe slide

Funtime star flyer

bucker blaster ride

Frontier city kids area

Larson super loop

Larson loop

 

Cedar Fair has not annoucned enough rides yet to compare

 

The only other announcement out of Cedar Fair for 2019 has been WOF Boathouse Grill (similar to Carowinds Harmony Hall)

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My question is, is the new area just the new site with the wings restaurant and extra space for future flats or does this include the crossroads area as well?

Aside from it being a path, it wasn't said that it will be annexed into the new area.

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