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Bash me all you want, but I love Goliath. It's tall, fast, SMOOTH, and fun! I don't give two craps that it doesn't have OMFG ejector air or a 110-degree first drop. I love it for what it is, and I'm gonna throw my hands up and have fun on it anyway. Isn't that what being an enthusiast is all about? Not every ride in the universe needs to kick your a$$, and that's perfectly okay--to have variety.

 

Not to mention, it's the one of the few rides at the park that doesn't invert you 2380442 times, so it's refreshing to ride a fast, smooth coaster after riding rides like X2, Tatsu, TC, FT, etc.

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Bash me all you want, but I love Goliath. It's tall, fast, SMOOTH, and fun! I don't give two craps that it doesn't have OMFG ejector air or a 110-degree first drop. I love it for what it is, and I'm gonna throw my hands up and have fun on it anyway. Isn't that what being an enthusiast is all about? Not every ride in the universe needs to kick your a$$, and that's perfectly okay--to have variety.

 

Not to mention, it's the one of the few rides at the park that doesn't invert you 2380442 times, so it's refreshing to ride a fast, smooth coaster after riding rides like X2, Tatsu, TC, FT, etc.

 

No bashing from me! This is what theme parks are all about. Building different types, and styles of coasters so that there will be something for everyone! Goliath is by no means a "bad" coaster. It just could have been so much better in my eyes!

 

I agree with you that it is tall, fast, and smooth! It's still in the top 20 tallest roller coasters in the world, and it's plenty fast! I think we just get spoiled by more intense coasters that even on a good coaster we are left thinking of how it could be better.

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My problem with Goliath is that I actually found it to be quite...tame. Outside of the powerful helix, forces of any kind are actually quite sparse. Titan is a much better ride, as the bonus helix gives a much better force distribution. The conundrum with both of these is that they are extremely intense in parts, but overall very inconsistent in terms of giving thrills.

 

I used to dislike the designs of these coasters a lot, mostly due to inconsistent pacing and a lack of airtime. However, both designs have grown on me because both parks installed RMC's right next door, which take absolute care of the airtime department.

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I love MM and try to defend the park at times but this is the ultimate ghetto. A trash bag covering the controls at TC cause of rain

 

I agree as I also defend the park way to much. Shes doing the best she can and trust me if silver tags dont like it they will speak with her. Its 3:30 now in Valencia and sky's are turning ugly. I bet nobody at the park is reading this but I would be seeking shelter right about now or just pack in in and come back on Sunday the 19th for Bring A Friend Free Day.

 

Its going to get wet really quick.

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Bash me all you want, but I love Goliath. It's tall, fast, SMOOTH, and fun! I don't give two craps that it doesn't have OMFG ejector air or a 110-degree first drop. I love it for what it is, and I'm gonna throw my hands up and have fun on it anyway. Isn't that what being an enthusiast is all about? Not every ride in the universe needs to kick your a$$, and that's perfectly okay--to have variety.

 

Not to mention, it's the one of the few rides at the park that doesn't invert you 2380442 times, so it's refreshing to ride a fast, smooth coaster after riding rides like X2, Tatsu, TC, FT, etc.

 

I'm with you, I still love Goliath. Although I seem to be one of the few who doesn't like the helix as I always grey out on it. Titan at SFOT is even worse for me with the bonus helix - I couldn't see a thing for a solid few seconds.

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I love MM and try to defend the park at times but this is the ultimate ghetto. A trash bag covering the controls at TC cause of rain

 

I agree as I also defend the park way to much. Shes doing the best she can and trust me if silver tags dont like it they will speak with her. Its 3:30 now in Valencia and sky's are turning ugly. I bet nobody at the park is reading this but I would be seeking shelter right about now or just pack in in and come back on Sunday the 19th for Bring A Friend Free Day.

 

Its going to get wet really quick.

 

Trash bag covering controls > Ride down for water damaging control. Hopefully after seeing this the park will get a cover made, but I'll give some credit where it's due for making the effort. Tacky? Sure. But for a short term solution to a problem they might not have even realized was a problem until today...it works.

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I haven't ridden Goliath, but I have to say Titan is smoother than any B&M or RMC I've been on.

 

Yeah Goliath is smooth as butter, and it's been that way since opening year. I can't tell which ride is the smoothest between Yolo, TC, and Goliath.

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Based off of NTaG and IRat, TC probably has a slight rattle during the areas with the highest positive G-forces or will develop it in the next few years, and the only Premier launch I've been on is pretty rough, but YOLO is much newer than Poltergeist and is far from being a spaghetti bowl.

 

I guess Giovanola knew what they were doing with regards to track and train design.

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Based off of NTaG and IRat, TC probably has a slight rattle during the areas with the highest positive G-forces or will develop it in the next few years
Interesting, but then again TC uses different trains from NTaG and IRat so that could be a factor as well.
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Based off of NTaG and IRat, TC probably has a slight rattle during the areas with the highest positive G-forces or will develop it in the next few years
Interesting, but then again TC uses different trains from NTaG and IRat so that could be a factor as well.

 

That's actually a good point. RMC trains + RMC track = better compatible for the ultimate smooth and amazing RMC experience!

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Does TC use nylon or steel wheels?

The only RMC to date that uses steel wheels is Outlaw Run, for some reason SFGAM decided to use nylon and poly wheels on Goliath. RMC won't run steel wheels on steel track for more reasons than one.

I went on the Goliath (SFGAm) construction tour, and one of the PR guys said then that the decision to use polyurethane wheels was that they are quieter than steel.

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^I'm pretty sure it uses nylon/polyurethane wheels. I will admit that Medusa hauls through its layout, but if steel wheels ran on steel track, it would be LOUD.

 

Speaking of loud, does Superman: Escape from Krypton run on steel wheels? Probably a stupid question, but seems possible because it is SO LOUD and can be heard from anywhere in the park.

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^I'm pretty sure it uses nylon/polyurethane wheels. I will admit that Medusa hauls through its layout, but if steel wheels ran on steel track, it would be LOUD.

 

Speaking of loud, does Superman: Escape from Krypton run on steel wheels? Probably a stupid question, but seems possible because it is SO LOUD and can be heard from anywhere in the park.

 

Yes and no, Superman's main wheels are either nylon or polyurethane. The reason Superman is so loud is because the guide wheels (that are oddly enough run on the middle of the track) are steel. Interestingly enough, the left track of Superman that just reopened features newly installed middle guide track on the ascent up the tower which has made the left side noticeably quieter. You can actually hear where the new guide track ends and the old remains on the left side.

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Does TC use nylon or steel wheels?

The only RMC to date that uses steel wheels is Outlaw Run, for some reason SFGAM decided to use nylon and poly wheels on Goliath. RMC won't run steel wheels on steel track for more reasons than one.

 

there's an interview with alan shilke where he said, at least at the time of the interview (media day), that wicked cyclone was using a combo of all three wheel compounds.

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given that SF usually announces 2016 rides in the middle/end of august, we should start hearing hints about SFMM's 2016 ride within the next few weeks right?

 

Don't get too excited. After TC I'm fairly positive they're not adding anything significant. Probably something flat ride-ish, but that they attempt to market as a coaster....

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They're not going to "attempt to market" what would be their 20th coaster. Coaster 20 will indeed be something legit. I'm still thinking it ends up being a 40pft polercoaster. As far as 2016 goes, yes, probably a flat or a dark, or maybe even something new for Hurricane Harbor even.

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