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At the park now. Goliath just opened and twisted colossus line is just under the sign. The bad part is that it's 5 million degrees outside.

EDIT:Just got off Goliath, first drop ( and the airtime hill) was nothing compared to TC. Made it feel bland and forceless positives were still great though.

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EDIT:Just got off Goliath, first drop ( and the airtime hill) was nothing compared to TC. Made it feel bland and forceless positives were still great though.

 

Goliath is no longer the best rollercoaster on the right side of the park, yay. 15 year run, wasn't it?

 

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Not much testing before opening huh...

 

They should already order replacement chains for TC and have them here in storage, not oiled up of course. If one chain goes the whole ride is done. At least we can safely assume RMC isn't going bankrupt anytime soon.

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Its not a big deal on case-to-case basis. Giovanolia went bankrupt and I believe this new chain is from somewhere international. I can also only imagine how long it takes to create this massive chain too.

 

RMC is prospering nearby. Plus this coaster is brand new and the chain hasn't seem any long term stress yet / wont for a long time.

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To the enthusiast, Goliath is all but a bunch of wasted space.

 

To the GP, Goliath is taller, therefore better.

 

Really no reason for me to ride boring Goliath ever again unless it's practically walk on with Twisted Colossus right around the corner.

 

Funny thing about lift chains...once they're installed, run a cycle a couple times, they're pretty much ready to go. If the trains and everything else are up to snuff, which since nothing else really happened for the coaster to break down, the ride is ready to operate. I'm really interested to know if the "lifthill not up to spec" comments from the park were all a bunch of delay hooplah, and they were really just waiting for the chain.

 

It also makes little sense to me that if a lift chain breaks, they can't just repair what broke and go from there. Waiting for a whole new chain seems silly.

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^ Great - less wait time for me on "Big G." I can't wait to get back to the mountain... I really missed this ride. I too like TC (rode it 29x on media day), but Goliath is my true love there. I can do more reps on it.

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Really no reason for me to ride boring Goliath ever again unless it's practically walk on with Twisted Colossus right around the corner.

 

It's always nice to have variety, while Goliath is one of the most forceless hypers ever minus some of the Morgans and I guess excluding the helix, it's still fun and I'm glad it's open.

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I know some places who can help get rid of Goliath for you. They'll say thank you.

 

It's funny... As much as MiA could use a ride like Goliath, I'm not sure I'd be too excited about it moving there! Of course, if it actually happened, I suspect that feeling would change, and the ride would suddenly seem a lot better!

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To the enthusiast, Goliath is all but a bunch of wasted space.

 

To the GP, Goliath is taller, therefore better.

 

Really no reason for me to ride boring Goliath ever again unless it's practically walk on with Twisted Colossus right around the corner.

 

Funny thing about lift chains...once they're installed, run a cycle a couple times, they're pretty much ready to go. If the trains and everything else are up to snuff, which since nothing else really happened for the coaster to break down, the ride is ready to operate. I'm really interested to know if the "lifthill not up to spec" comments from the park were all a bunch of delay hooplah, and they were really just waiting for the chain.

 

It also makes little sense to me that if a lift chain breaks, they can't just repair what broke and go from there. Waiting for a whole new chain seems silly.

 

If one link breaks, you can't just put that one link back and consider it done. Assuming all other links in the chain are fine, the whole chain has to be re-threaded (for lack of a better way to explain it). But before the chain can be re-installed, the remaining links have to be inspected as well---which might explain the delay if they found more issues.

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I would also think that there's the possibility that the channels and guides in which the chain run could have been been damaged when the chain failed, or could have been worn / damaged and contributed to the failure of the chain. The chain itself is part of a system. All the parts of that system have to be in proper working order or you could risk a premature failure of the new chain. Not that I know for certain that was the case, but it certainly seems reasonable.

 

Although that may not account for the amount of time the ride was down, I would rather have it repaired completely so that the new parts have a fighting chance of lasting for their designed service life.

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Interesting comments on Goliath, I think it's one of the better rides in the park. I'd rather ride Goliath than get banged around on rides like Scream, Apocalypse, Viper, and Revolution.

 

My problem with Goliath is that it's just so boring. It's fun, don't get me wrong, but there's no real oomph to the ride outside of the helix o' doom that's been tamed. The first drop is pretty bad, though the tunnel at the bottom is great. The high turn is cool but not thrilling. The "airtime" hill provides zero airtime. The MCBR, at least the past few times I've ridden, have brought the train to a complete stop. After the MCBR it's just random turns and the helix o' doom which, as I mentioned before, has been tamed to be nowhere near as forceful as it used to be.

 

It has some good ideas but just poor, boring execution.

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Interesting comments on Goliath, I think it's one of the better rides in the park. I'd rather ride Goliath than get banged around on rides like Scream, Apocalypse, Viper, and Revolution.

 

My problem with Goliath is that it's just so boring. It's fun, don't get me wrong, but there's no real oomph to the ride outside of the helix o' doom that's been tamed. The first drop is pretty bad, though the tunnel at the bottom is great. The high turn is cool but not thrilling. The "airtime" hill provides zero airtime. The MCBR, at least the past few times I've ridden, have brought the train to a complete stop. After the MCBR it's just random turns and the helix o' doom which, as I mentioned before, has been tamed to be nowhere near as forceful as it used to be.

 

It has some good ideas but just poor, boring execution.

 

don't disagree with any of this, but, with nothing else nearby thats tall and fast, i enjoy it for what it is. and because it has decent capacity with short lines.

 

but it was much better without that slow down at the top, and the ridiculous mid course break.

 

TC's drops are awesome, but after riding SFGAM Goliath, makes you wish for more. even love Raging Bull's drop with the pre drop as well.

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EDIT:Just got off Goliath, first drop ( and the airtime hill) was nothing compared to TC. Made it feel bland and forceless positives were still great though.

 

Just curious... But was this your first time riding Goliath?? For me the first drop, and airtime hill have never provided any airtime.

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For me Goliath is a great people eater to help keep the other nearby lines that much shorter. It's also a fun speed coaster when there are no lines or ERT. Front row is the best.

 

The coaster is 15 years old. I enjoy it for what it is.

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No it was not my first time riding Goliath, I didn't really mean in the airtime department (because I rarely get any either) it just used to feel more fun. The drop used to seem like the 3rd best in the park just because of the insane height (next to X2 and Lex Luther) but after TC in the back row, it just wasn't fun. Before I might've waited 1 hour for it but at this point I wouldn't ride it even as a walk on the positives are the only good part and honestly I'm not a big fan of large amounts of positives. Before, if someone said "take out Goliath" I wouldn't have agreed with them because I thought it was fun, but at this point, I would completely agree. I just shortened my opinion up because I was typing on a phone, about to ride TC.

EDIT: I see you have gone to Cedar Point, keep in mind that i'm a Californian and i've only ridden rides in SoCal and Orlando.

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Looking back, I think Goliath was kind of just thrown together to get a record-breaker without using a lot of space or footers. The layout is quite uninspired and its almost like maybe the original layout was bigger, but scaled down due to cost or time-constraints (as Millennium Force was due to open a few months later).

 

I'm still trying to figure out why the ride cost $30 million (according to Wiki), I know earthquake proofing and all but even Superman wasn't that expensive and it's much taller.

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