When does an element become an inversion?

[Marney]

Does the rider have to be completely upside down for an element to count as an inversion, or does an element such as a heavily overbanked turn count?

[williamj2543]

Close to upside down within 10 or 20 degrees. A tilt incline loop like on rougarou would probably be the limit. On both our B&Ms at Canadas Wonderland it is about 10-30 degrees off being sideways, but I don't count it being inverted.

[coloradocoasterguy]

Does the rider have to be completely upside down for an element to count as an inversion, or does an element such as a heavily overbanked turn count?

 

The rider must at some point be rotated 90 degrees.

 

Close to upside down within 10 or 20 degrees. A tilt incline loop like on rougarou would probably be the limit. On both our B&Ms at Canadas Wonderland it is about 10-30 degrees off being sideways, but I don't count it being inverted.

 

The tilted loop would count because the rider was rotated 90 degrees from their previous position.

Edited April 18, 2016 by coloradocoasterguy

[Henry M]

^so Saw and other eurofighter coasters, their drop is an inversion. An inversion is when it feels like one.

[gerstlaueringvar]

135 degrees banking.

[coloradocoasterguy]

^so Saw and other eurofighter coasters, their drop is an inversion. An inversion is when it feels like one.

 

Stupid auto-correct. 180 not 90.

[K1ngdaKa88]

Actually I'd say it is when your head is lower than the rest of the body, because the up side (Head) is down...

[ShaneH]

135 degrees banking.

 

Yes this because it is 3/4 the way to a full 180 degrees.

[rcjp]

135 degrees banking.

That's probably the best option for a "definition" of inversion, I'd say.

[MagnumFreak25]

Its always annoyed me that barrel rolls on flying coasters are considered an inversion. Your never upside down at any point during them.

[BDG]

[chickenbowl]

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Yes / end thread

[tanthonyam]

when your feet go above your head.

[coasterbill]

I don't know if I have the energy to be quite this nerdy today so I'm just here to say that inclined loops are stupid and they're not inversions.

[coloradocoasterguy]

Its always annoyed me that barrel rolls on flying coasters are considered an inversion. Your never upside down at any point during them.

 

How not? The body is rotated 180 degrees relative to it's position. You were facing down, then you were facing up. Inversion.

[dippindotsguy8]

I think the best definition as someone said a page back is "if it feels like one", for the same reason most people don't consider Disko's and Larson Loopers to be "real" coasters.

[Password121]

*Double post*

Edited April 19, 2016 by Password121

[Password121]

135 degrees banking.

Came to post exactly this but you've got it. Exactly halfway between sideways and completely inverted. Outlaw Run's first turn (153 degrees) is an inversion, but Millennium Force's first turn (122 degrees) is not. If you watch some '99 MF promos (which are so worth watching on repeat) you'll see it claim a world record as the "steepest non-inverted turn." They had that down 17 years ago.

 

Edit...

when your feet go above your head.

I don't mean to nerd out too much as coasterbill was mentioning but this would classify Fury's 91 degree overbanked turnaround as an inversion since technically the plane you sit on is beyond horizontal. I don't think anyone's out there arguing this is an inversion, so I'd disagree with this.

[fraroc]

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Judging from this, it seems like that one overbank on KBF's Silver Bullet is either a little bit below or just hits the threshold between overbank and inversion.

[coloradocoasterguy]

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Judging from this, it seems like that one overbank on KBF's Silver Bullet is either a little bit below or just hits the threshold between overbank and inversion.

It is very close.

[I305forever]

When you go upside down. Dumbass.

[Password121]

When you go upside down. Dumbass.

I really hope this is a joke because this is probably the most ignorant post I've seen in at least a month

[thrillseeker4552]

When you go upside down. Dumbass.

 

Maybe I didn't catch the humor, but I find this post completely unnecessary.

[coloradocoasterguy]

When you go upside down. Dumbass.

That is the very question originally posited in this very post. What constitutes upside down? Mutemule.

[DoinItForTheFame]

 

This. . . This is when an element becomes an inversion. That's all.