Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

[The Geek Mojo]

I also heard this coaster doesn't have a theme...It's just going to be "One. Big. Thing." That's according to a new post from Leah Koch on the Holiblog about the ride. My personal opinion, I think it should have a theme, but I'm not paying the bill so not my call.

[StLCPfan]

I thought One. Big. Thing. was put out there to let everybody speculating on multiple attractions know that it's just ONE big ride, not that there will not be any theming.

[ratdogg68]

One Big Thing, means one big thing. Knowing Holiday World, it will be themed out the wazoo. They are not going to just plop a Big Coaster, out in the middle of a field without extensive themeing I'm sure.

[The Geek Mojo]

I read it on NewsPlusNotes, not saying it's fact. But here's the quote. "Another recent confirmation was that the new ride won't be part of any new themed section, just "One. Big. Thing."

 

I don't know. Maybe it'll have it's own theme all by itself. Maybe Holiday World may want to start a whole new themed section. Who knows, it's all speculation.

[HolidayWorldFTW]

I read it on NewsPlusNotes, not saying it's fact. But here's the quote. "Another recent confirmation was that the new ride won't be part of any new themed section, just "One. Big. Thing."

 

I don't know. Maybe it'll have it's own theme all by itself. Maybe Holiday World may want to start a whole new themed section. Who knows, it's all speculation.

 

They are meaning that Holiday World isn't going to add a new themed section of the park like thanksgiving Halloween, Christmas, and Fourth of July. The ride will certainly be themed they just aren't building an entire new themed section of the park like they did with Thanksgiving when they did the Voyage. Its going to be a part of an old themed section.... Thanksgiving....so the ride will have some sort of theme having to do with thanksgiving. It's the specific themeing for that one ride that we don't know yet, but you can bet it will be themed.

[Jcoaster]

Okay, I got on board with the whole, "Holiday World is getting a B&M" idea...But not so sure anymore. Can you still buy a B&M for $18 million anymore with inflation and all? I think B&M's cheapest coasters are their Dive Coasters. Maybe it's a dive.

 

From what I recall, Dive Machines are very expensive. They require a wider track which hikes up the prices immensely. Also due to the wider track it needs more reinforced supports as well.

[The Geek Mojo]

Oh. ok. Well whatever it is, it sure has generated a lot of talk. Holiday World is teasing the hell out of us. I'm probably more intrigued to find out what this coaster is more than what Carowinds or Hersheypark has going on.

[The Geek Mojo]

Okay, I got on board with the whole, "Holiday World is getting a B&M" idea...But not so sure anymore. Can you still buy a B&M for $18 million anymore with inflation and all? I think B&M's cheapest coasters are their Dive Coasters. Maybe it's a dive.

 

From what I recall, Dive Machines are very expensive. They require a wider track which hikes up the prices immensely. Also due to the wider track it needs more reinforced supports as well.

 

 

Griffon cost $15.6 mil.

[jarmor]

^ and krake uses the same with track as a standard beemer coaster.

[rollin_n_coastin]

Griffon cost $15.6 mil.

 

This means that the cost shouldn't be looked at specifically. Even with $USD average inflation from 2007 to 2014, that would put Griffon's cost at about $17.9 million today. There are other factors I'm sure, such as the cost of steel and construction materials increasing way beyond the average since then.

 

Although it's possible, I'm really hoping that this isn't another B&M. That's just my bias though

 

Paula: Following along has been a ton of fun so far. Can't wait until the big announcement!

[Jcoaster]

I said it once, and i'm gonna stick to my guns. Premier launch coaster. That one "big thing" could be a launch or giant loop or tophat along the likes of Full Throttle.

[LogBur]

^Likely not Premier unless they've changed their footing/support flange design.

 

Sky Rocket for reference:

[tororific]

I'll say it's a friendly rivalry, but Ed Hart didn't have any kind words to stay about HW when they made an attempt to reopen KK (when Dan Koch was president of the park). Also, I believe in some report I read where he outlined his plan to revitalize the park, he said he expected HW's attendances figures had maxed out and they would start to decline once KK reopened. I also recall reading in that report that he said HW lacked a steel looping coaster and that Kings Island would be their only competition. He called HW's business and marketing plan vulnerable (even though he tried to duplicate it when he owned Magic Springs in Arkansas) and it was a great opportunity to take advantage of them. I don't think he ever accounted HW being able to afford a B&M (if that is indeed what it is) when he made these assumptions. I also don't think he quite gets what HW is about and how their business plan works. I've actually found the report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/110767374/KKRC-ResponseOct2012w

 

Most of the info is on page 20, if anyone is curious.

 

 

I hadn't seen this marketing / business plan before, but it's a very interesting read.

Kentucky Kingdom obviously sees Holiday World as its principal competitor in the marketplace, and it probably is.

The revitalization of Kentucky Kingdom, and the need for Holiday World to remain competitive in light of KK's re-opening and the its planned $15M B&M coaster in 2015, probably form some of the backdrop for what's going on at HW, beyond the natural interest in growing and expanding.

[mikeykaise]

I'm more wondering if its all about the new family members trying to take HW in a new direction and using a different formula and less about KK.

 

 

*oops* forgot my example... their new commercials (is it me or is Santa a little freaky looking?) are more about attractions then family which is totally different than the ones with Pat, Will, & Dan talking about the family fun appeal.

Edited July 15, 2014 by mikeykaise

[Superbatboy]

Really hope it isn't a B&M, all of this speculation would be so anti-climatic. Really hope it's an Intamin mega-lite, but since that isn't "BIG"...

[DJeXeL]

^^Seeing how HW and KK are only 1hr 15/30 minutes away from each other, I'm sure most guests will visit both regardless of what they add in terms of attractions.

[tororific]

I'm more wondering if its all about the new family members trying to take HW in a new direction and using a different formula and less about KK.

 

 

*oops* forgot my example... their new commercials (is it me or is Santa a little freaky looking?) are more about attractions then family which is totally different than the ones with Pat, Will, & Dan talking about the family fun appeal.

 

I'm sure there are lots of reasons for the new project. Personally, I just hadn't really considered the rebirth of KK as a potentially significant factor --it may or may not be.

I'm going to be careful to not speculate about the actual expenditure amounts or risk being scolded again!

[DJeXeL]

Stay in the "Loop."

 

[glouthan]

^I think that would definitely be a hint. They literally mentioned a reference to a loop like three times (2 from the T-Minus 12 Days blog post & 1 from the tweet), so I think it has to mean something.

[CPSFMMCW]

Man these holiday world people are guru's when it comes to marketing! Man, I think they're literally driving me crazy.

[glouthan]

Did anyone read Holiday World's newest blog post yet? It has a clue in it about cake pops apparently. What is anyone's thoughts on this (helps if you read the post - sort of confusing) Here it is: http://www.holidayworld.com/holiblog/2014/07/14/happy-bastille-day/

[alpengeist04]

I'm kind of hoping it's not a B&M because so many people are positive it is.

 

 

Actually, an Invert, Dive, or good sit-down would be good with me. Just please no Wing, flying, or stand-up version.

[COASTER FREAK 11]

I believe the hint was: "running about a mile a minute — maybe faster!"

[Nwstone]

I don't really care if it's a B&M, but it would be pretty shocking if it ended up being something totally unexpected

[rcjp]

I believe the hint was: "running about a mile a minute — maybe faster!"

What would be great was if the coaster was one mile long and a cycle was one minute, meaning a 60 mph average speed!