DLex Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I don't get why everybody is putting such a high price tag on B&M. Sure they can be very expensive, but they can also be reasonable. The best wing rider in the country (Xflight) carried a price tag of 12 million. Not that 12 million is cheap but it sure isn't the 40 million figure I've seen thrown out there. (For the record I don't think a beemer has ever cost 40 million) Highest I could find was Shambhala. 25 Million Euros or roughly 34 Million USD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcoaster Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I was honestly expecting B&M's take on a Maverick style ride. Remember the hints that said "One hundred and two" and "one hundred and two plus one." Well Maverick is 105 ft. Could the 103 ft mark be our height for our very first B&M Launcher? Now your'e speaking my language. I think B&M would be selling themselves short if they didn't try their hand at their version of a blitz coaster. Although it maybe too expensive for Holiday World as some others were saying, just imagine how great it could be using the woods and terrain in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I don't get why everybody is putting such a high price tag on B&M. Sure they can be very expensive, but they can also be reasonable. The best wing rider in the country (Xflight) carried a price tag of 12 million. Not that 12 million is cheap but it sure isn't the 40 million figure I've seen thrown out there. (For the record I don't think a beemer has ever cost 40 million) The estimates of X-Flight run up to $15 million, and that was 2 years ago -- and no one would call X-Flight a "BIG" sized coaster. B&M is an expensive manufacturer compared to some other coaster builders, and that's typically why you don't see a ton of B&M rollercoasters at parks like Holiday World that are, comparatively speaking, small regional parks. My only point is that IF this ride ends up being B&M, its hard to see how if could be the BIG or huge coaster implied in the blog (assuming the clues are reliable), while meeting a realistic budget, based on known B&M costs and Holiday World's budget. But who knows ..... a B&M Maverick killer would be friggin' awesome -- and, again, as long as you keep this thing very low to ground, maybe you can save a reasonable amount on support costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterchitchat Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The Holiblog post said " One. Big. Thing" and it will be 2X the amount of the most expensive addition, Mammoth which was $9 million. So it'll be around/over $18 million. B&M sounds right to me! They've probably been saving up for 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyleparks77 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 ^ no sure where the 2x came from but if thats true then it would be $26 million (twice of the thanksgiving addition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Does Holiday World usually pump a lot of cash into their theming for attractions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The Holiblog post said " One. Big. Thing" and it will be 2X the amount of the most expensive addition, Mammoth which was $9 million. So it'll be around/over $18 million. B&M sounds right to me! They've probably been saving up for 2015. That's a ton of $$ for one ride for that park, but, obviously, they have accountants that have figured out the ROI for that type of huge expenditure. Maybe they figure these types of rides can greatly expand the population of visitors (I hope so because it is an awesome park!). Here are my guesses at the clues that matter from the Blog: It feels like an extra-long process now that everything here is going full-speed. While everything around me is going roughly a mile a minute, My wild speculation is that this will be a long terrain coaster, over a mile in length. I actually don't think it will have any inversions based on the blog. I hope I am right. (now watch it be a break-the-inversion record B&M!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Does Holiday World usually pump a lot of cash into their theming for attractions? ^ Not really. Their themeing is there, but it's more simple and nice instead of over the top. If you can picture "less is more" working with a theme park, you can picture Holiday World. The park gets its high quality reputation from its cleanliness, price point, and friendly staff, rather than being heavily themed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 One Big Thing. It could be a B&M that has one huge element after the launch, then follows the contour of the land along/around Voyage. You know, a fast low-to-the-ground ride (less structural steel = less cost). I still hope it's not B&M, but if it is, I have a feeling Holiday World knows how to pull it off. High capacity, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Id Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I'm leaning towards a mini-dive coaster like Krake...there seemed to be a lot of hints at 'diving' in the blog and hints. Although maybe a bit longer with more loops. I think that would fit in well at HW. But, at this point, who knows...pretty shocked that this is looking like a B&M but whatever it is, I have faith that HW will make it awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I'm leaning towards a mini-dive coaster like Krake...there seemed to be a lot of hints at 'diving' in the blog and hints. Although maybe a bit longer with more loops. I think that would fit in well at HW. But, at this point, who knows...pretty shocked that this is looking like a B&M but whatever it is, I have faith that HW will make it awesome. If it's B&M, that's not a bad guess -- it would explain keeping the water filled pit (for the Dive Coaster splashdown) and the "ONE BIG THING" could be the big drop. The "problem" with that guess is it doesn't explain the apparently large footprint of the ride, since Dive Coasters have a relatively tight footprint, even with an expanded layout..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil009 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The Holiblog post said " One. Big. Thing" and it will be 2X the amount of the most expensive addition, Mammoth which was $9 million. So it'll be around/over $18 million. B&M sounds right to me! They've probably been saving up for 2015. That's a ton of $$ for one ride for that park, but, obviously, they have accountants that have figured out the ROI for that type of huge expenditure. Maybe they figure these types of rides can greatly expand the population of visitors (I hope so because it is an awesome park!). Here are my guesses at the clues that matter from the Blog: It feels like an extra-long process now that everything here is going full-speed. While everything around me is going roughly a mile a minute, My wild speculation is that this will be a long terrain coaster, over a mile in length. I actually don't think it will have any inversions based on the blog. I hope I am right. (now watch it be a break-the-inversion record B&M!) My guess, a mile a minute = 60 MPH top speed, which would roughly fit with the 103 ft height. (Assuming that's what that clue meant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayzle Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I am just going to leave this here. Not saying hyper, but B&M have done splashdowns on other types of rides besides dive coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneOfTheWills Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The Holiblog post said " One. Big. Thing" and it will be 2X the amount of the most expensive addition, Mammoth which was $9 million. So it'll be around/over $18 million. B&M sounds right to me! They've probably been saving up for 2015. That's a ton of $$ for one ride for that park, but, obviously, they have accountants that have figured out the ROI for that type of huge expenditure. Maybe they figure these types of rides can greatly expand the population of visitors (I hope so because it is an awesome park!). Sorry, but, can we please stay off the subject of "How is HW going to pay for something like this?" They've been around a while, if you're going to assume they can't pay for it then equally assume they can. This argument would make since pre-footers but HW has made the commitment to ONE BIG THING so lets say they know how to pay for it. I think that building that is being built is for some type of computer room for LSM's or LIM's. I could be wrong though. Most of the stations for B&M coasters are built with metal frames (well at least the portion that supports the coaster obviously) and the support frame for the track is the first thing constructed, not the building itself. Not only have they started the outside frame on that building, but the frame is completely wooden. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, I'm referencing the building that is right in front of the construction cam. I'm thinking the same thing. The computer control room for Voyage is fairly big so (assuming this is an LSM) the computer room for a launch coaster would be even larger and located under the station platform and control console. Now if that track does turn out to be HW's, it'll most likely be a flyer coaster, based on the references in the journal. ...with the train being themed to a ship. I don't know if I agree with the ride itself being themed like a ship. HW has already (loosely) themed Voyage as a ship and with the addition of The Mayflower this year, I think they've filled their quota of ships for a while. I'm still thinking a bird will play heavily into the theming especially if this is a B&M Flyer. Another reason is because of all the bird mentions in the early stages of the journal which lead to the belief early on that HW would be getting a wing coaster. The passengers still haven't landed in the New World yet or even seen it on the horizon. One of the first signs of approaching land from sea is the sight of birds. Birds also play heavily into Thanksgiving (as we know) and birds also hold an important position in Native American culture. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterchitchat Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 ^ no sure where the 2x came from but if thats true then it would be $26 million (twice of the thanksgiving addition) It was on NPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterchitchat Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Sorry for double posting, but I'm going next Thursday (7/24/14.) Any tips for navigating the park? Give me an assigned order of rides if you'd like to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterkid124 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I have to agree that this ride may be based or themed around a bird. Besides turkeys, a bird that was around back then was the passenger pigeon. They are extinct now, but they used to fly around in giant flocks especially near the coast. One flock was reported to be about a mile long in the Toronto area while they were still alive. May sound crazy, but I don't see why not. It's unexpected yet is historically accurate to the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 My wild speculation is that this will be a long terrain coaster, over a mile in length. I actually don't think it will have any inversions based on the blog.I hope I am right. (now watch it be a break-the-inversion record B&M!) I don't really think that record would happen but I actually do think that once it is broken again, it should be B&M. I know their ride with the most inversion "only" has eight but they feel different and varied, unlike the intamin 10 loopers (or smiler which is basically two rides put together). I don't imagine B&M ever doing a quad heartline roll, plus they have quite a few different inversions, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The Holiblog post said " One. Big. Thing" and it will be 2X the amount of the most expensive addition, Mammoth which was $9 million. So it'll be around/over $18 million. B&M sounds right to me! They've probably been saving up for 2015. That's a ton of $$ for one ride for that park, but, obviously, they have accountants that have figured out the ROI for that type of huge expenditure. Maybe they figure these types of rides can greatly expand the population of visitors (I hope so because it is an awesome park!). Sorry, but, can we please stay off the subject of "How is HW going to pay for something like this?" They've been around a while, if you're going to assume they can't pay for it then equally assume they can. This argument would make since pre-footers but HW has made the commitment to ONE BIG THING so lets say they know how to pay for it. Why is this off limits? Don't know about others, but I am not assuming that they can't pay for it. But I am noting that IF it is an $18M investment for a single ride, that would be an unusually high expenditure for one ride for a theme park with their attendance, and significantly different than the cost of every other single ride they have ever put in (none of which have apparently ever exceeded $9M). It's reasonable to wonder how they intend to get ROI IF the expenditure is anywhere near that for one ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanTPM Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I'm leaning towards a mini-dive coaster like Krake...there seemed to be a lot of hints at 'diving' in the blog and hints. Although maybe a bit longer with more loops. I think that would fit in well at HW. But, at this point, who knows...pretty shocked that this is looking like a B&M but whatever it is, I have faith that HW will make it awesome. Nothing really points towards a dive machine, the project was mostly pointing towards a launch coaster before we began speculating that it may be a B&M. The area it covers seems large, and seems to stay with the terrain. Although, we can only see a certain amount of footers right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I am just going to leave this here. Not saying hyper, but B&M have done splashdowns on other types of rides besides dive coasters. Good point. That type of ride (not necessarily a hyper, but a long, terrain hugging B&M) would make more sense than a dive coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I have to agree that this ride may be based or themed around a bird. Besides turkeys, a bird that was around back then was the passenger pigeon. They are extinct now, but they used to fly around in giant flocks especially near the coast. One flock was reported to be about a mile long in the Toronto area while they were still alive. May sound crazy, but I don't see why not. It's unexpected yet is historically accurate to the time. Nothing screams BIG, GIANT STEEL COASTER like "Passenger Pigeon: The Ride". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiver Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I'm leaning towards a mini-dive coaster like Krake...there seemed to be a lot of hints at 'diving' in the blog and hints. Although maybe a bit longer with more loops. I think that would fit in well at HW. But, at this point, who knows...pretty shocked that this is looking like a B&M but whatever it is, I have faith that HW will make it awesome. Nothing really points towards a dive machine, the project was mostly pointing towards a launch coaster before we began speculating that it may be a B&M. The area it covers seems large, and seems to stay with the terrain. Although, we can only see a certain amount of footers right now. Which clues pointed towards the new addition being a launched coaster? I honestly can't recall any clues that made it obvious that there was a launch. Couldn't the long straight line of footers just be...a lift hill? I'm going to revise my previous guess and give my final locked in prediction: B&M terrain hyper or giga. Book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejenkins1 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 So where is the area the webcam is showing? (use map?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcoaster Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How about a Premier launch coaster? Has anyone considered that? I've only heard great things about SkyRocket and Full Throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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