Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

[parkjunkie]

^^^Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Six Flags also put in T2, Twisted Twins, and if you count it as a coaster, Rollerskater

[supertrooper]

^^^Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Six Flags also put in T2, Twisted Twins, and if you count it as a coaster, Rollerskater

 

You're wrong.

[Shavethewhales]

While I agree that HW could make good use out of a family-oriented coaster, there's no indication that simply because HW is a "family" park this ride will be oriented towards families.

 

Major thrill rides are often used to break open a smaller park's marketing appeal. The bigger and more intense-looking the better. Somehow it has an effect of making the rest of the park look bigger and more official. Or at least that has always been the indication I've gotten. We've seen it a few times now where a smaller park on the edge of really becoming a destination will go all out on a fairly large thrill ride. You could argue that HW already did this with the Voyage, but its hard to say.

 

I just have a feeling at this point that it's going to be a larger and bigger deal than what some here seem to be expecting.

[parkjunkie]

^^^Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Six Flags also put in T2, Twisted Twins, and if you count it as a coaster, Rollerskater

 

You're wrong.

 

Figured I was, couldnt get RCDB to pull up. I see it was just Twisted Twins

[prozach626]

Just a few things that crossed my mind that I don't think I've seen mentioned yet.

 

First, there have been people saying that Holiday World wouldn't build an invert since King's Island just built Banshee. There's no knowing for sure, but a lot of times these projects can be in the works for years. When was it announced that Banshee was going in at KI? Isn't it likely that whatever this coaster is was planned before Banshee was announced. Would HW scrap plans on an invert once Banshee was announced? I wouldn't necessarily think so, but I don't know.

 

Second, B&M just built their first family invert over in China. A much longer, more thrilling, but non-inverting family style invert would be a great coaster for a park like HW.

 

I can't wait to see what they are building and I look forward to riding it next year.

 

I don't see how a tame family style inverted coaster is going to bring in the crowds that Holiday World wants to see after spending more than 13 Million.

[KingRCT3]

I don't see how a tame family style inverted coaster is going to bring in the crowds that Holiday World wants to see after spending more than 13 Million.

 

And I still have in mind that employee that was literally jaw dropping when she heard the plans the park has. I doubt a tame family style inverted coaster does that effect!

By the way, was she a coaster enthusiast, or more a "general public" kind of person? Because, even a very high quality B&M doesn't do that effect either, or at least only on enthusiasts who know what's so special about it. Nah, I think HW's addition is going to be mind blowing for anyone at the first glance, like über long, über fast or has awesome features.

[COASTER FREAK 11]

^^^Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Six Flags also put in T2, Twisted Twins, and if you count it as a coaster, Rollerskater

 

You're wrong.

 

LOL, this just made me laugh.

[parkjunkie]

^^^Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Six Flags also put in T2, Twisted Twins, and if you count it as a coaster, Rollerskater

 

You're wrong.

 

LOL, this just made me laugh.

Glad i could humor you

[GayCoasterGuy]

HW may build a super-intense, thrilling loop coaster... or a nice fun family ride. We should be finding out soon... either way, I'm sure it will have class and be unique. And trees. It will be close to trees. We all know that increases your excitement number

[Meteornotes]

I am all for leaving in as many trees as possible. Just makes for a much more interesting setting for a ride.

 

dt

[RyanTPM]

This certainly won't be a family invert, the area it's covering is a lot bigger than what it would take up. Still looking like a launch coaster.

[ZeroGravity55]

They're definitely pouring a lot of footers. In the 10 mins I watched the construction cam around 3 p.m today, I saw at least 4 concrete trucks pull up on sight. Two of them poured footers right in front of the camera, while the other two went to the opening between the valley of the 2nd and 3rd camel backs on The Voyage. I can't even begin to imagine how many concrete trucks they received today if that was only in a 10 min period.

[HolidayWorldFTW]

After todays clue... I myself wonder if this isn't a wooden coaster of some sort. But I still maintain wooden or steel, I think some of you are way underestimating whatever this "thing" is. HW Probably has more buying resources than what any of us think... even if they don't use all of said buying resource. A lot of you speak of what the coaster enthusiests want vs the general public. I can tell you from living in the area myself that the GP LOVES how intense The Voyage is. They get that coaster nuts love all their wooden coasters but they(the GP) are ready and wanting something more. It's not just a weird coincedence that their two water coasters have the longest lines out of both parks but probably the largest capacity. The GP around here (which lets be completely honest, is the majorithy of their business) is ready for more.I KNOW this to be true. I know HW is all about families and it will always be that way, but FAMILIES are wantilng something more even. I just think we all need not underestimate or over estimate whatever this is. HW knows what they need, they know what the can afford, NONE of us can even come close to knowing for sure either of those. Whatever this is, its going to be EXACTLY what they need. Because think about it... when did they ever add anything that they didn't need or didn't help their business? This is a company that makes VERY few mistakes... I don't even think PP/ Giraffica was a big mistake. Aside from its downtime and lack of the big water splash, the ride was actually VERY fun! Heck the ride up to the top was almost a ride all in of itself!

[ZeroGravity55]

^ Trust me, this isn't a wooden coaster, they don't pour footers like that for wooden coasters anymore. Even if they did, they're too spaced apart to be for any type of wooden coaster.

[rollin_n_coastin]

I'm hoping that Intamin is going to make it up to Holiday World with something very awesome. Scrapping a ride like Pilgrim's Plunge so soon, especially after a re-theme, must have had some sort of stronger motivation.

[rcjp]

^That would be nice, but this ride probably will be a B&M. (based on the footers)

[rollin_n_coastin]

^A little too early to tell based on footers. Even after seeing the site while there two weeks ago with lots of footers poured, nothing was obvious. The one question that a few of us had was why the Pilgrim's Plunge station and troughs were well maintained and preserved while construction on the new attraction was going on. You'd think the area would have been completely cleared by now. B&M splashdown? Divertical-like element? But that was two weeks ago and not sure if anything has changed at the old Pilgrim's Plunge site since then.

 

If it is steel, there are more players in the game today building steel mega, looping and launched coasters.

[ZeroGravity55]

^ We can tell. Pictures of the footers showed the B&M almond cut out. They're the only coaster manufacturer who uses that design, from what I've found and believe me, I've looked at them all. The only reason everything from PP was still there and maintained, except the tower was because they just took the tower down 2 weeks before opening this year. They just made the decision to remove the ride earlier this year. That's why it is still on all the park maps they've printed. This new ride had probably been in the design phase for 6 months to a year prior to construction starting. This is why I have always thought it didn't made any sense for them to re-use the station, other than the fact that it would have to be completely redone.

 

I actually expect the park to completely remove the ride and redo that whole area so there is a clear line that divides the water park from the dry park on that hill. With the station appearing to be on the hill behind Hyena Falls, if they don't redo it, it will just be confusing in my opinion.

[ratdogg68]

With all the construction going on behind Hyena Falls, the coaster will have to have a station over by PP or that will put Hyena Falls in the middle of Thanksgiving. I still think it will be a Mack launched, in less that building is for something else. I don't see a B&M having a show building. I really hope it is something besides a B&M, need something different in the Midwest, tired of all the B&Ms.

[parkjunkie]

^ We can tell. Pictures of the footers showed the B&M almond cut out. They're the only coaster manufacturer who uses that design, from what I've found and believe me, I've looked at them all. The only reason everything from PP was still there and maintained, except the tower was because they just took the tower down 2 weeks before opening this year. They just made the decision to remove the ride earlier this year. That's why it is still on all the park maps they've printed. This new ride had probably been in the design phase for 6 months to a year prior to construction starting. This is why I have always thought it didn't made any sense for them to re-use the station, other than the fact that it would have to be completely redone.

 

I actually expect the park to completely remove the ride and redo that whole area so there is a clear line that divides the water park from the dry park on that hill. With the station appearing to be on the hill behind Hyena Falls, if they don't redo it, it will just be confusing in my opinion.

My guess is good as anyone else's, but how do we know they wont use PP's station for the coaster station. They may not have started construction there yet just to throw everyone off. This things gonna be huge, if it is a launch, whos to say it wont be a multi launch and the area we already think is the launch is actually the second. Im still thinking the PP house will still be part of it.

[GrapesLie]

Hmmm today's clue (if you can call it that) was interesting. I don't know what Holiday World is doing but Boy Oh Boy am I intrigued!

[Locostitch]

I think todays clue signifies a support as they placed underneath the beam. So it is supporting the beam(track).

[Shavethewhales]

Perhaps this ride will utilize steel supports that are made to look like timbers. Too many wood references at this point to ignore, unless they are purely a distraction and misdirection.

[kyleparks77]

^ I like that idea. Not only would it fit the theme of the thanksgiving area, but the atmosphere of the park as well

[glouthan]

Perhaps this ride will utilize steel supports that are made to look like timbers. Too many wood references at this point to ignore, unless they are purely a distraction and misdirection.

Do you mean they would look something like Canobie's Untamed supports? If so, that would be pretty cool.