KBrylczyk Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 ^ It won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsplumber Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Has anyone ridden Ka? Is the launch smoother because of the extra supports? I think a free pages back there was some speculation about supports right after the launch. I rode ka 9 times on fri and 4 times on sat. I rode TTD opening weekend this year, and TTD is definitely smoother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsplumber Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 The park was insanely crowded today. We were expecting 35,000 people and I think we easily received more. The entire parking lot was filled and so was the over flow lot on my way out. I guess that's what happens when you combine memorial day weekend with an R5 concert (They'r'e apparently very popular but I've never heard of them until today lol) I also talked to a few maintenance people and so far, the only good answer I have gotten regarding El Toro's slowed down lift was to save on wear and tear both for the ride and lift motor. I still haven't asked the most knowledgeable person there yet so I'll let you know what he says. not surprised, beautiful day, concert, memorial day weekend, season pass holder bring a friend free day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 ^I don't really remember having an unpleasant ride on KK and I thought the thing some people didn't like about the launch was the fact that it seems to come in stages instead of just one long blast. (I have no complaints, though.) That hasn't been the case for a few years now. It only did the staggered launch for a year or two after the cable broke, but when they reopened after the lightning strike it was back to normal. I'm confused how extra supports in the tower are going to effect the launch...since none of the supports really hinder the other section of the ride... I think maybe his idea is that the end of the launch (meaning the climb up the tower) would be smoother, because the track wouldn't violently shake with extra lateral support. I don't think that the extra supports touch anything but the tower though, so nothing's going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPSFMMCW Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I personally have nothing wrong with th launch. It's very fun and very fast! It's not my favorite launch ever, but it's a very good launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aCoasterStory Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 ^I don't really remember having an unpleasant ride on KK and I thought the thing some people didn't like about the launch was the fact that it seems to come in stages instead of just one long blast. (I have no complaints, though) The thing I don't like about the launch is that the train doesn't track very well and the back of it shimmies back and forth as it accelerates. IMHO, the only decent seat on Ka is in the front row. I don't know what they did different than TTD, but I've never experienced that issue on Dragster--every seat is a good seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Toro_Ryan Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 ^I don't really remember having an unpleasant ride on KK and I thought the thing some people didn't like about the launch was the fact that it seems to come in stages instead of just one long blast. (I have no complaints, though) The thing I don't like about the launch is that the train doesn't track very well and the back of it shimmies back and forth as it accelerates. IMHO, the only decent seat on Ka is in the front row. I don't know what they did different than TTD, but I've never experienced that issue on Dragster--every seat is a good seat. I noticed that on Dragster too when I was at Cedar Point a few days ago. I rode in the backseat and it was very smooth. I think Kingda Ka's problem is that the trains are too bulky and top heavy with the over the shoulder restraints. With lapbars, TTD carries a lot of its weight low to the track. But for Ka, the locking mechanisms are located on the seats making the trains more top heavy. Give the train a little shuffle from the launch and physics will take over. Also, Kingda Ka's launch track is much higher off the ground by the end of the launch then TTD's which gives the track more wiggle room which might contribute to the roughness. I've always felt like Ka should have been built with lateral supports on the launch track in addition to the simple straight columns. You can really see the launch track wobble when the train launches down the track. Much more so than TTD. Notice the extra bulk behind the seats and at the head rests for the shoulder restraints. Verse this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saweetdude05 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 ^I've also always thought the biggest issue with the roughness was the trains. TTD's trains look more aerodynamic and designed for the speed, while Kingda Ka's trains just look like Intamin's standard looping trains, obviously with larger wheels for the higher speeds. The other part might simply be that it accelerates faster than TTD, adding to the stresses on the higher off the ground launch track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xChris125x Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 My thought is that the track for the tower ascent and decent on TTD is supported with single columns vs. A-frames on KK. Forces are disipated via sway on TTD and drilled back into the trains on KK because the A-frames are much stiffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 ^That makes sense. The energy is converted into motion with TTD, relieving the stress on the structure. KDK's is more stiff, allowing the vibrations to flow throughout, without much 'give' to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 ^I've also always thought the biggest issue with the roughness was the trains. TTD's trains look more aerodynamic and designed for the speed, while Kingda Ka's trains just look like Intamin's standard looping trains, obviously with larger wheels for the higher speeds. I second this. Everything about TTD's trains say... "Speed" all the way down to the holes in the headrest. Kingda Ka's trains are just so bulky. I have ridden both coasters MANY MANY times... I prefer Dragster over Ka any day. Ka is just so much more ... rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yeti Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Ever since they slowed down the lift, the ride has run noticeably slower. However, since then I've only noticed it running slower in the morning. If El Toro's lift is running at full speed (13 m/h) the velocity at the bottom of the hill (eliminating all friction & air-resistance) would be approximately 73.8 m/h. If the lift was running at 5 m/h, the velocity at the bottom of the hill (again, eliminating all friction & air-resistance) would be approximately 72.8 m/h. That's a 1 m/h or 1.4% total velocity difference. Friction & air-resistance affect a rides speed more than the lift does. Source: physics. Source: English Sorry...I had to correct you. It affected me that much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 A misspelled word is besides the point. The lift speed shouldn't effect the rides' overall speed too much. I was just trying to clear that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilsFlight Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I dont know about you guys but I've always wanted Ka to get new trains. These trains with the OTSR are really annoying in the back with head banging. Lap bars would be so much better. Does anyone know why those restraints were chosen for Ka in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsplumber Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 why did SFGadv on kingda ka stop using all 4 loading/unloading stations? and where is the 4th train. TTD runs 5 trains, and the line moves much faster . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilsFlight Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 why did SFGadv on kingda ka stop using all 4 loading/unloading stations? and where is the 4th train. TTD runs 5 trains, and the line moves much faster . All the times I've went for the past couple of years Ka had less than a fifteen minute wait with two trains. It's popularity has definitely decreased over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 A misspelled word is besides the point. The lift speed shouldn't effect the rides' overall speed too much. I was just trying to clear that up. The correct word is still affect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necoastergp Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I dont know about you guys but I've always wanted Ka to get new trains. These trains with the OTSR are really annoying in the back with head banging. Lap bars would be so much better. Does anyone know why those restraints were chosen for Ka in the first place? Because it's Six Flags...=/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsplumber Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I dont know about you guys but I've always wanted Ka to get new trains. These trains with the OTSR are really annoying in the back with head banging. Lap bars would be so much better. Does anyone know why those restraints were chosen for Ka in the first place? Because it's Six Flags...=/ exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I dont know about you guys but I've always wanted Ka to get new trains. These trains with the OTSR are really annoying in the back with head banging. Lap bars would be so much better. Does anyone know why those restraints were chosen for Ka in the first place? Because it's Six Flags...=/ Intamin designed the ride tho, and most of their coasters of the last 8-10 yrs have OSTRs. Even Superman the Escape now has them after having only lapbars for 14 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBrylczyk Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Intamin designed the ride tho, and most of their coasters of the last 8-10 yrs have OSTRs. Maceraperest Juvelen Divertical Skyrush Formula Rossa Th13teen Mine Train Coaster Mega Lite Fly Over Mediterranean Jet Rescue Piraten T Express Kawasemi Mich Doohan's Motocoaster El Toro Those are all lap bar only. All of their loopers are OTSR (duh) but only a select few non-inverting coasters have OTSRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal1br3tto Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Maceraperest I was going to ask what the heck this was an inside joke nickname for and why I wasn't aware of it. Then I looked it up just in case and now I'm wondering why I didn't know this was a very real coaster. Maceraperest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Intamin designed the ride tho, and most of their coasters of the last 8-10 yrs have OSTRs. Maceraperest Juvelen Divertical Skyrush Formula Rossa Th13teen Mine Train Coaster Mega Lite Fly Over Mediterranean Jet Rescue Piraten T Express Kawasemi Mich Doohan's Motocoaster El Toro Those are all lap bar only. All of their loopers are OTSR (duh) but only a select few non-inverting coasters have OTSRs. That's only 15 out of the 50 some-odd coasters they've built in the last 10 yrs, doesn't further prove the OSTRs on KK are a "Six Flags" quirk. Case in point i305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I dont know about you guys but I've always wanted Ka to get new trains. These trains with the OTSR are really annoying in the back with head banging. Lap bars would be so much better. Does anyone know why those restraints were chosen for Ka in the first place? Because it's Six Flags...=/ Intamin designed the ride tho, and most of their coasters of the last 8-10 yrs have OSTRs. Even Superman the Escape now has them after having only lapbars for 14 years I know that since storm runner they pretty much used OTSRs on all their accelerator coasters but that was a ride with inversions and if they saw the lap bars worked just fine for TTD and Xcelerator I'm still confused why they did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsplumber Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 KA needs to get rid of the OTSR's. the ride would be so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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