Dr. M Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 ^And as I said, it doesn't matter, because underneath that thin strip of metal is a piece of wood. The rails are wooden. The rails on topper track are not pieces of wood covered in thin strips of steel. They are completely steel (and concrete). The point isn't what the wheels are literally touching, it's what is holding the train in the air. Normal wood coaster track= big piece of wood, topper track= big piece of steel. Well the actual first proper wood coasters - side friction coasters - ran on 100% steel rails. See this picture of the Scenic Railway in Melbourne (Australia), which was built in 1912.. By your standards then, every non-side-friction wooden coaster isn't traditional and should not have been built Joking aside - this argument is getting a little ridiculous. You don't want to call it a wood coaster? Fine, then don't .. but it seems like you're not going to let anyone change your mind (which is fine), and you're not going to change anyone's mind (also fine). Going round and round in circles over it is a bit silly and subtracts from the big picture: RMC and SFGAm are doing something totally mental and insane and that's awesome. It could be built from ground up kittens and baby seals, and it would still be awesome! Hey now, I like what RMC is doing, I was one of the more vocal proponents of this coaster once the layout was released, I still am (minor quibble with the supporting structure aside). A great coaster is a great coaster. I'm just not sure I see the point of classifying it as a wooden coaster, from an enthusiast perspective. That's all this conversation is about. But I've said what I think so this'll be the last I mention it. Probably. Speaking of the layout, they've clearly done their best to stuff an extremely tall coaster into a very limited space. Does this remind anyone else of the circumstances that brought us Skyrush? That kind of problem requires tight turns taken at a very high speed, I'm thinking we might be looking at another coaster that pushes the boundaries of intensity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster1227 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 That turnaround looks great! Can't wait to see what this ride looks like when construction is completed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aCoasterStory Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Can I just throw out there that if they had painted the track steel the same as Outlaw Run, people probably wouldn't be making a big fuss about this... (Also, SoB had a steel structure for its inversion, so steel for the 0-G stall isn't that crazy...and do steel supports for the lift hill even matter to the ride?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I'm really curious how RMC will construct the steel structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Can I just throw out there that if they had painted the track steel the same as Outlaw Run, people probably wouldn't be making a big fuss about this... (Also, SoB had a steel structure for its inversion, so steel for the 0-G stall isn't that crazy...and do steel supports for the lift hill even matter to the ride?) I agree! There was a little debate here and there, but nothing to this degree. I've gotten to where I'm not even reading all of the posts these last few days. Silly, silly, more silly, and then something stuck in about how awesome this Coaster will be and how excited we are to ride it. I stick to reading the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I'm very impressed by the marketing of this ride. Present the ride like a completely regular wooden coaster with some crazy elements, and then the whole worlds enthusiasts jaws dropped. Then they release this half a year later, and the worlds enthusiasts jaws dropped again. Very clever IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatdan Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I've said this before a long time ago about the inversion debate, and if things like an inclined loop or whatever it is that Chang and Mantis have that isn't exactly upside down are inversions or not. There is also the debate that if a turn is overbanked, is that an inversion? What about drops that are more than 90 degrees? The only definitive source to tell us how many inversions a ride has is the park. Does Mantis have three or four? Park says four, who is some enthusiast to say differently? If the park says that Goliath is a brand new hybrid coaster and there are none like it in the world, then that is what it is. In this case, they say it's a wooden coaster, so it's a wooden coaster. We can debate the validity of their claims all we want, but it's very hard to say that the people that own something have no idea what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 it's very hard to say that the people that own something have no idea what it is. It's actually pretty easy. For example... this is from Cedar Point's "Roller Coasters" page. I'm not arguing about whether Goliath is wood or steel because I don't care, and I don't care if Cedar Point thinks this is a coaster... but it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Some more track installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBears Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 From SFGAm's Twitter this morning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goooose Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 weeee sideways negatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. M Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 it's very hard to say that the people that own something have no idea what it is. It's actually pretty easy. For example... this is from Cedar Point's "Roller Coasters" page. I'm not arguing about whether Goliath is wood or steel because I don't care, and I don't care if Cedar Point thinks this is a coaster... but it isn't. HA! Life is one big grey area, isn't it? It's got wheels, it's gravity driven (sort of), it's on a track... Of course, I don't think anyone ever tried to call that old Ring of Fire ride a coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goooose Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 New Goliath Insider video-on-site perspective of construction as recent as this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Looking good. Think they'll make the May opening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arby Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Looking good. Think they'll make the May opening? It looks like they're going to be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glouthan Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Looking good. Think they'll make the May opening? It looks like they're going to be close. Given that the whole lift structure will go up fast, I think they will make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBears Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Took a screenshot from the latest video of the twist & shout... That structure will nearly double in size once the overbank turn is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glouthan Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 ^ WOW! The structure is going to be huge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardwalkbullet91507 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 That looks really symmetrical so it shall be interesting to see what it looks like once the overbank is in place. The twist-n-shout looks pretty big already so I cant imagine what its going to look like when the overbank is done. That side of the coaster is going to be MASSIVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traincrossin Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 New Goliath Insider video-on-site perspective of construction as recent as this morning. My left ear enjoyed the guy talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goooose Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Another screen from the youtube video 2/28. Seeing everything BUT the tophat is so fascinating because its such a rare view for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanM64 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 This is one huge coaster!! I can't even remember the last time I followed a construction so closely. Tha ks to all for posting all these pics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOGdude25 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Dang. RMC twists track in ways that just look so wrong (in a good way that is)! I cannot wait to give this thing a go this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 That 90degrees banked turn looks like NTaG's second turn! There must be some amazing surprise airtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 ^It's actually a lot more banked than I thought it would be! This will be one hell of a ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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