Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

[MisterBrow]

Faster would be the little cut from ROAR to Whistle Stop, maybe marginal time wise but not walking away from where I am going and back.

 

Without the mythical unicorn path after walking out to Bat Wing and then back tracking I don't even take the turn to the creek, I largely ignore the whole section. Never do I go into CC and then backtrack out to BW. It's rare to even go into CC. That's not good money wise.

 

However, with the magic sunny rainbow unicorn path I would go left, fill my big ugly refillable cup, take a quick ride on the new ME trains, a dry ride on the rapids, after thinking about water ride BW, wish there was a restroom, ride SM until I have to pee, decide I can hold it to ride WWloT, do that urgent walk through a sweltering Gotham, pee, refill my big ugly refillable cup, ride JJ, get stuck on JJ and be glad I peed...

 

I agree to negotiate relocating trees and a bathroom and drop the conversation. Or, how about a super gold pass that allows me to cut through from ROAR to Whistle Stop?

[Rayj]

Which of the following coaster could you foresee coming to SFA: RMC Roar, Wonder Woman: Golden Lasso clone, or S&S 4D free fly?

[Rollercoaster Rider]

Which of the following coaster could you foresee coming to SFA: RMC Roar, Wonder Woman: Golden Lasso clone, or S&S 4D free fly?

 

 

I assume you mean Free Spin, Maybe called Batman The Ride cause the park already has a Joker and Wonder Woman ride.

 

 

Imagine if they end up getting St. Louis' Ninja or Boomerang?

[Rougarou]

^ SFA before Holiday in the park and the extra attendance it brings. I’d say the St. Louis Ningal

^^ Now:post HITP I’d say RMC Roar ( I know there’s been Roar Retracking for past few seasons)

Stats for Roar Redue? Height 45 feet, track length 900 feet inversions none

[coasterbill]

Which of the following coaster could you foresee coming to SFA: RMC Roar, Wonder Woman: Golden Lasso clone, or S&S 4D free fly?

 

None of the above.

[steamedturtle]

^

 

You have to be delusional to think the park will get a coaster. Maybe it will eventually, but I've been down this road too many times.

[Trackmaster]

If you think about it. With the gentrification and sprawl from DC, that land that SFA occupies might be way too valuable to be occupied by an amusement park, especially considered that over half of it remains vacant as a buffer zone. Economically, the property would probably see its highest and best use as a mixed purposes residential real estate and commercial area. They could put in luxury high rises, and high end restaurants, bars, and shops, and make it into a very desirable place to live for wealthy DC lobbyists, lawyers, professionals, and young rich recent grads. Especially now that the metro has been extended further out to it. I'd say that unless the city has a clause in the contract that requires the park to stay (as an attraction to conceivably help improve the attractiveness of the area), SFI would be smart to cash out and sell to a developer. SFNO had a clause with New Orleans like that, but it appears that it wasn't honored. The city tried to enforce it, but SFI scooted out, and they weren't about to re-build in an abandoned swamp.

[CoasterAuditor]

Which of the following coaster could you foresee coming to SFA: RMC Roar, Wonder Woman: Golden Lasso clone, or S&S 4D free fly?

 

Another minor waterpark expansion.

[boldikus]

Which of the following coaster could you foresee coming to SFA:

 

Hopefully a bathroom. Or a tree.

[livai]

in my opinion, a coaster sooner or later arrives.

maybe a s & s between superman and batwing

[MisterBrow]

Which of the following coaster could you foresee coming to SFA:

 

Hopefully a bathroom. Or a tree.

 

 

A bathroom, a tree, and add the Mexican stand to the dining plan!

 

These fantastical discussions spiral out of control quickly.

[Highridin]

The taco place is privately owned/leased. I know the owners. Same folks who own the turkey leg place in CC.

[bill_s]

If you think about it. With the gentrification and sprawl from DC, that land that SFA occupies might be way too valuable to be occupied by an amusement park, especially considered that over half of it remains vacant as a buffer zone. Economically, the property would probably see its highest and best use as a mixed purposes residential real estate and commercial area. They could put in luxury high rises, and high end restaurants, bars, and shops, and make it into a very desirable place to live for wealthy DC lobbyists, lawyers, professionals, and young rich recent grads. Especially now that the metro has been extended further out to it. I'd say that unless the city has a clause in the contract that requires the park to stay (as an attraction to conceivably help improve the attractiveness of the area), SFI would be smart to cash out and sell to a developer. SFNO had a clause with New Orleans like that, but it appears that it wasn't honored. The city tried to enforce it, but SFI scooted out, and they weren't about to re-build in an abandoned swamp.

 

I thought I said much of that but can't find it. I don't think things are to that point -- possibly the whole area would need to become more dense to the point of changes in government attitudes to make it worthwhile. Still, even if they're looking at selling 20 years, this affects what they are willing to build. Water park expansions are mostly cheap and don't hold up well 20 years anyway. A Sky Screamer is practically a portable ride compared to a coaster.

 

One thing occurs to me reading "high end restaurants, bars, and shops" -- if they do that, leave some rides behind in operation, just change the whole nature of where they're at.

[Trackmaster]

If you think about it. With the gentrification and sprawl from DC, that land that SFA occupies might be way too valuable to be occupied by an amusement park, especially considered that over half of it remains vacant as a buffer zone. Economically, the property would probably see its highest and best use as a mixed purposes residential real estate and commercial area. They could put in luxury high rises, and high end restaurants, bars, and shops, and make it into a very desirable place to live for wealthy DC lobbyists, lawyers, professionals, and young rich recent grads. Especially now that the metro has been extended further out to it. I'd say that unless the city has a clause in the contract that requires the park to stay (as an attraction to conceivably help improve the attractiveness of the area), SFI would be smart to cash out and sell to a developer. SFNO had a clause with New Orleans like that, but it appears that it wasn't honored. The city tried to enforce it, but SFI scooted out, and they weren't about to re-build in an abandoned swamp.

 

I thought I said much of that but can't find it. I don't think things are to that point -- possibly the whole area would need to become more dense to the point of changes in government attitudes to make it worthwhile. Still, even if they're looking at selling 20 years, this affects what they are willing to build. Water park expansions are mostly cheap and don't hold up well 20 years anyway. A Sky Screamer is practically a portable ride compared to a coaster.

 

One thing occurs to me reading "high end restaurants, bars, and shops" -- if they do that, leave some rides behind in operation, just change the whole nature of where they're at.

 

Yeah, I've seen that before. Maybe the Wild One would even make the cut, as its historic. Ironically, the original location of Paragon Park followed this same concept. The park was dismantled, and turned into beachfront property and used for other commercial purposes, but they leaved behind a historic Carousel. Now granted, the insanely high property values of land so close to DC could explain why SFI should sell to maximize the land's economic value, but it doesn't explain why the park is run so poorly, and why they've torpedoed guest experience to the point that they have. I guess Apocalypse? Come on. You can't even count that on your coaster count because any reputable human being would have already ridden Iron Wolf.

[boldikus]

Only the SFA thread can go from "What new coasters do you think we're gonna get" to "They're probably gonna sell this park" in less than 2 pages.

[CoasterAuditor]

I highly doubt Six Flags is straight up losing money on SFA otherwise it would of probably been sold off a long time ago when they were liquidating in bankruptcy.

[AmyUD06]

I guess Apocalypse? Come on. You can't even count that on your coaster count because any reputable human being would have already ridden Iron Wolf.

 

I never ridden Iron Wolf, nor Apocalypse, for that matter, and I live 45 minutes from SFA.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Mike240SX

[AmyUD06]

(Double Post)

Edited February 7, 2018 by Mike240SX

[CoasterLover]

One thing occurs to me reading "high end restaurants, bars, and shops" -- if they do that, leave some rides behind in operation, just change the whole nature of where they're at.

 

Why not both? SFA has a TON of land they will never use. Why not have some sort of City Walk/Disney Springs arrangement where Six Flags builds and leases space to some of these higher end bars/shops? Bars and shops would be unlikely to complain about any noise (unlike if they leased the land for condos) and it would be a year round source of income...

[Rougarou]

Off subject- Anyone going to Pass Holder Preview night?

[boldikus]

What are they previewing?

[livai]

I think it refers to this

 

https://www.sixflags.com/america/special-events/celebration/pass-holder-preview-night

[ytterbiumanalyst]

I never ridden Iron Worf

No, that seems dangerous.

 

[steamedturtle]

Off subject- Anyone going to Pass Holder Preview night?

 

Sure, why not? Might be nice to get some night rides on Superman.

[Trackmaster]

I highly doubt Six Flags is straight up losing money on SFA otherwise it would of probably been sold off a long time ago when they were liquidating in bankruptcy.

 

It's not so much about revenues minus expenses, its about the economic opportunity cost. Sure, you can run a park, and take in more money than you spend, and that's fine. But if there is an opportunity to sell at a premium to an investor who is either overpaying for it, or could make more than you could, you would be a wise businessperson to consider that option. Remember, some money is fine, but even more money is even better.

 

Think about it this way. In one scenario you're taking a risk, and hoping that you can squeeze a profit margin out of a risky venture and cover costs. In another scenario, you have tons of cold hard cash shoved into your pocket, you can sell off the assets of the parks, and other invest the money in institutional equities, return it to shareholders and buy back some of the company, or plow the money into better performing parks, or acquire parks that might be better placed to properly serve the public and operating at better margins.

 

You either grow and you evolve, or you die.