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P. 418: Camp Snoopy expansion announced including new family coaster

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Fury 325 (if that's what they're going to call it) looks like it's going to be a great ride according to those pictures, if they're legit. I don't have a problem whatsoever with Carowinds putting in two B&M coasters back to back that might be similar. B&M makes great coasters. Just rode Goliath at SFOG the other day and I'm still impressed with that coaster. Intimidator isn't that bad, it's more of a milder ride, so I'm assuming this Fury 325 will be more active. A lot of people are complaining that Intamin isn't getting any love from Cedar Fair, but hey, it's their money, they're going to build what they want to build. I love Intimidator 305, and it is my favorite coaster, I'd love to see more coasters like it, but Intamin just isn't getting the business B&M is getting because B&M is more reliable...and parks want that. I get it. Hell, I think the last big Intamin that was built in the states was Skyrush in 2012 (which is another great coaster imo) but that also says the industry may be losing faith in Intamin coasters. Obviously, I doubt we will see an Intamin built at a Six Flags or Cedar Fair park anytime soon because B&M and RMC is what's popular right now with those parks. If we do see an Intamin coaster, it'll probably be at an independent park. Hershey seems to like them seeing how they have 3 big ones in their park. Maybe what Holiday World is building might be an Intamin, who knows. But regardless, Carowinds is building a B&M, and I'm sure it will be great. I have a theory that it won't be 325 ft tall. Probably more like 310 ft tall with a 325 ft drop. It'd be cool as hell if it does reach 100 mph. We'll just have to wait and see...But I have high hopes for this coaster. I can't wait to ride it!

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^I don't know about 100. But a 325 foot drop could theoretically achieve 98.6 mph.

 

Maybe they could use a fast lift hill so it has some speed when it starts the drop?

 

Or they could do a downhill magnetic launch...

 

I read somewhere that Leviathan has one of the faster B&M lifts, which is approximately 4.5 m/s. If Fury 325's lift were to be 4.5 m/s, the final speed would be 98.8 m/h. These number exclude any friction & air resistance from the equation. So the real thing wouldn't actually clock in at these speeds.

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I think the reason Leviathan isn't really as good as it could be was because they tried to make it different enough from behemoth by including fewer hills and more speedy bits, which I felt is not what B&M does the most. I don't think we will get (at least soon) a B&M giga like I305 so if they were building a giga in a park with no hyper they probably would have gone for the standard formula (lots of hills) only with a bigger ride.

That being said, I am looking forward to seeing how this will turn out due to lack of straight bits (possibly camelbacks).

My only problem with leviathan, is that to me, it seemed that CF was copying their formula they did with CP. Similar kind of airtime hill filled ride like Magnum when they built Behemoth, & then Leviathan was just a shortened version of MF. Not that it's a bad thing (I don't have to drive all that way to CP to get an MF like experience ), but I would've liked it not to be a near clone!

 

As for this ride, between this prepossessing layout, & banshee

, it seems like b&m'a making a comeback!

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^I don't know about 100. But a 325 foot drop could theoretically achieve 98.6 mph.

 

Maybe they could use a fast lift hill so it has some speed when it starts the drop?

 

Or they could do a downhill magnetic launch...

 

I read somewhere that Leviathan has one of the faster B&M lifts, which is approximately 4.5 m/s. If Fury 325's lift were to be 4.5 m/s, the final speed would be 98.8 m/h. These number exclude any friction & air resistance from the equation. So the real thing wouldn't actually clock in at these speeds.

Maybe 325 is the height and the drop will be a bit bigger. And, who knows, perhaps B&M could step into the cable lift hill business (I'm guessing sooner or later that will happen).

By the way, does Leviathan's lift slow don't at the top? From some POVs I can't really tell (at least if it does it's not much)

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Maybe 325 is the height and the drop will be a bit bigger. And, who knows, perhaps B&M could step into the cable lift hill business (I'm guessing sooner or later that will happen).

By the way, does Leviathan's lift slow don't at the top? From some POVs I can't really tell (at least if it does it's not much)

 

The drop could indeed be bigger.

 

I'll break this down for you.

For a 325 foot drop to achieve 100 mph, the lift would need to be at least 28.2 m/s, or 63 mph. a.k.a. not happening.

The drop would need to be approximately 102 meters or 334.4 feet to achieve 100 mph. Again, this omits any friction and air resistance.

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^This is a B&M speed coaster so of course there will be camelbacks, everyone loves airtime. However, Intimidator is nothing but standard camelbacks. This layout indicates lots of curves and not too much time moving in a straight line. So the riding experience should at least vary more than that of Levi/Behe.

Really? I think Behemoth is nothing but standard camelbacks, 1 180 degree turnaround and some slow twists back to the station after the mcbr. Very different from Leviathans fast turns and overbanks. (I say very different lightly, they are both B&M mega coasters) This new layout and Intimidator look extremely alike. 90ish degree turn right after first drop, airtime hill, 180 degree turn, airtime hill, helix. Yes there are some differences too but they are pretty similar.

However, I still think this will be a great addition to the park. Leviathan is great, so an even larger version will be amazing

By the way, does Leviathan's lift slow don't at the top? From some POVs I can't really tell (at least if it does it's not much)

No, Leviathan doesn't slow down at the top.

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^This is a B&M speed coaster so of course there will be camelbacks, everyone loves airtime. However, Intimidator is nothing but standard camelbacks. This layout indicates lots of curves and not too much time moving in a straight line. So the riding experience should at least vary more than that of Levi/Behe.

Really? I think Behemoth is nothing but standard camelbacks, 1 180 degree turnaround and some slow twists back to the station after the mcbr. Very different from Leviathans fast turns and overbanks. (I say very different lightly, they are both B&M mega coasters) This new layout and Intimidator look extremely alike. 90ish degree turn right after first drop, airtime hill, 180 degree turn, airtime hill, helix. Yes there are some differences too but they are pretty similar.

However, I still think this will be a great addition to the park. Leviathan is great, so an even larger version will be amazing

By the way, does Leviathan's lift slow don't at the top? From some POVs I can't really tell (at least if it does it's not much)

No, Leviathan doesn't slow down at the top.

 

Actually, Levi's lift does slow down. I think its because if the train went over at "full" speed, it would be to fast and increase the g's. The last valley right before the brake run already packs a punch (I grey out on it every single time). And yes, they do have the trims but I think they haven't ever been used extensively.

 

And coming from a person (me) who's home park is CW, Levi and Behemoth are two completely different experiences.

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Photo from ScreamScape

 

With that banner saying "8th wonder of the world" and Fury 325 indicating it's 325 feet high, it would make more sense for the name to be Centurion. The reason I say this is because I'm assuming (not saying I'm right) that the 8th wonder of the world is a hint towards a world record. It's possible it could be referring to length which in that case, the Fury 325 name could still stand for Carowinds. Let's look at the records if that banner is indeed hinting at a record. I'll just list the coasters around the 8th place mark instead of the top 10 for each record.

 

Current Tallest Coasters

7th Leviathan - 306 feet

8th Intimidator 305 - 305 feet

9th Thunder Dolphin - 262 feet

 

It wouldn't make sense because the ride would either have to be between 305 and 306 feet and doesn't fit with the "Fury 325" name.

 

Current Fastest Coasters

7th Millennium Force - 93 mph

8th Leviathan - 92 mph

9th Intimidator 305 - 90 mph

 

Again, wouldn't make a lot of sense with the "Fury 325" name because if the drop is 325 feet, it would likely go faster than Millennium Force and that's already at #7 for the fastest coaster.

 

Current Longest Coasters

7th Voyage - 6,442 feet

8th California Screamin' - 6,072 feet

9th Desperado 5,843 feet

 

It's possible this coaster could be the 8th longest. It would be about 600 feet longer than Leviathan however.

 

Of course, I could be way off reading this teaser banner and they could be meaning "8th wonder of the world" for something else entirely. This is just my guess.

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^Judging from the leaked blueprints it might just be the 8th longest. There appear to be some points within the layout where it could easily gain an extra 600ft from Leviathan's length.

 

That's my guess. Again, I could be way off but by looking at those blue prints a few pages back, I can see how it could be at least 600 feet longer than Leviathan.

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I don't think that they would market it as the 8th longest/fastest/tallest coaster in the world, whatever it turns out to be. They are probably just marketing it as the "8th wonder of the world" but it could tie into a record (or place in record standings) that it might hold.

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8th wonder of the world...hmm...interesting. I guess we can only wait and see.

 

By the way, assuming this is a B&M coaster, Carowinds will have 4 B&Ms as of 2015. That's more than any other Cedar Fair park, right? I thought that was interesting, considering how much Cedar Fair likes B&M.

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I'll be out at the park tomorrow. I zoomed in on the photo and it looks like there some language on the North American continent that says "Dia Nova".

 

Another thing, looking at the blueprints that's quite a tight turn after a 300+ drop. It almost looks like the turn on I-305. Are we for sure that this will indeed be a Beemer? Looking at the pics from the Ohio plant there were 4 colors outside laying around: white, yellow, teal, and orange. Now I was sure the white track was for carowinds with the name Centurion it's only right, but those track pieces showed up in Italy. The teal and yellow coaster looks to be an invert or flyer to me at least based on the struts by the spine of the track. So that leaves the orange which supposedly for Holiday Worlds 2015 ride. Sooooo either Carowinds track is just not in the yard or it could be Intamin. That will make my year for sure.

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Another thing, looking at the blueprints that's quite a tight turn after a 300+ drop. It almost looks like the turn on I-305. Are we for sure that this will indeed be a Beemer?

 

I think you may have the first and last turn mixed up.

 

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