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A reader who went to Cedar Point the other day noticed that it looked like many of the waterslides in Soak City were getting painted in new bright colors. No sign of the new Mat Racer slide coming in just yet.

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Please be true. Soak City looks so bland with everything black and beige.

 

I also noticed that the other day while riding Magnum; I looked over and noticed them brightly colored and was like, "woah, that's different." I'm not a big fan of riding a pink/purple water slide but it does look better than the 'dirty white' color.

 

On another note, I was at the park for closing weekend (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday); I had a great time. Friday night it was the coldest night I believe and it only rained for a little bit on Saturday (about 4:15ish) but that was it; so weather wise it was great. Ride wise, I was able to do Raptor and Millennium 5 times each on Friday (very short waits) and was able to do Disaster Transport (felt like it) and Magnum 5 times on Saturday. Sunday I was surprised there wasn't more people there, knowing it was the last day of the year and the fact that the weather wasn't too bad; it was a bit chilly but definitely tolerable.

 

I'm more of a show guy during Halloweekends because I get enough rides in during the regular season. Accumulated for the whole weekend, I saw 'Sideshow - A Carnival of Magic' 4 times, 'The Edge of Madness' 6 times (and parts of a few more), and 'A Halloween Hullabaloo' 7 times. I guess I'm just a sucker for live entertainment. I went to the last showing of Hullabaloo and Madness and there was just so much energy during those shows (especially during Madness because it was the last show of the season so the place was packed with people and energy). The cast of Hullabaloo was at the last showing of Madness and I went to go talk to them after the show. I could tell they love what they do because they were all tearing up (even some of the guys); I think of it as, it's less of a job and more of a passion.

 

So overall, I had a great time this weekend as well as the whole year. I was able to visit the park this year a total of 27 times, a whole 10 times more than my previous record which was 17 times last year.

 

Well there's my little TR.

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Just a random late night musing, but has anyone caught wind of what's going to happen to Paddlewheel Excursion's animatronics? I'm guessing that they'll be going into storage for later use or just scrapped outright, but I wouldn't mind seeing them recommissioned along the railroad tracks or used as props for STR.

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Just a random late night musing, but has anyone caught wind of what's going to happen to Paddlewheel Excursion's animatronics? I'm guessing that they'll be going into storage for later use or just scrapped outright, but I wouldn't mind seeing them recommissioned along the railroad tracks or used as props for STR.

 

They actually used quite a few of the props from the attraction in Blood on the Bayou. I'm not sure if they're going to keep them there for next year (assuming Blood on the Bayou will still be there). In my opinion, it's was too soon for them to be using the props from the ride.

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From Screamscape:

 

According to various reports sent in, things got a little out of control at Cedar Point on Saturday night during Halloweekends, as it seems like a few groups of teens and 20-somethings set about the park with the intention to cause some mayhem. According to one report, a Scaractor in Cornstalkers was knocked unconscious when one of these guests grabbed a nearby fire extinguisher and hit them over the head with it.

 

According to another report, things got even more out of control at Screamworks later on that evening when a guest reportedly pulled out a pistol, resulting in pure mayhem as the gunman was tackled and people scrambled to retrieve the weapon.

 

Keep in mind that these events were not reported in the local news or by the park, but were reported to Screamscape directly, so I can’t verify all of the details. I’m a bit shocked that this took place at all, though even more shocked the learn that in his day and age when about every park (including many other Cedar Fair parks) run guests through either metal detectors and/or bag checks, that Cedar Point does neither. Not to mention that many big parks even go so far as to employ more intense style security pat-downs and hand-held “wand” checks as well during their big haunt events, all with the goal of safety in mind… where it just seems like The Point dropped the ball. Hopefully they’ll review the matter and increase their security procedures next season rather than risk something horrible happening.

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From Screamscape:

 

According to various reports sent in, things got a little out of control at Cedar Point on Saturday night during Halloweekends, as it seems like a few groups of teens and 20-somethings set about the park with the intention to cause some mayhem. According to one report, a Scaractor in Cornstalkers was knocked unconscious when one of these guests grabbed a nearby fire extinguisher and hit them over the head with it.

 

According to another report, things got even more out of control at Screamworks later on that evening when a guest reportedly pulled out a pistol, resulting in pure mayhem as the gunman was tackled and people scrambled to retrieve the weapon.

 

Keep in mind that these events were not reported in the local news or by the park, but were reported to Screamscape directly, so I can’t verify all of the details. I’m a bit shocked that this took place at all, though even more shocked the learn that in his day and age when about every park (including many other Cedar Fair parks) run guests through either metal detectors and/or bag checks, that Cedar Point does neither. Not to mention that many big parks even go so far as to employ more intense style security pat-downs and hand-held “wand” checks as well during their big haunt events, all with the goal of safety in mind… where it just seems like The Point dropped the ball. Hopefully they’ll review the matter and increase their security procedures next season rather than risk something horrible happening.

 

I always thought it odd that Cedar Point didn't have any additional screening (bag checks or metal detectors) at the gate. Their other parks do. I'm sure that will change next season.

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What time did that occur? I ask because at about 7:50pm that night I was just hanging out in front of where the screamsters hang out in Screamworks until 8:00pm. All of a sudden, a few of the security people (the guys who help keep everyone from getting too close to the screamsters there) and a few of the screamsters literally jetted out of the small area and were running as fast as they could near one of the Screamworks entrances (the one right by Cornstalkers' entrance). They've never done anything like that before (I've been there many times at the start of the area) so I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the event that went on but I could be wrong.

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I had it confirmed from a screamster friend that at first it was reported that the guy had a gun, but fortunately he did not.

 

Also a fire extinguisher was not used in cornstalkers.

We all know how rumors get escalated to the point of ridiculousness, and this is a prime example.

 

I've never heard of any issues regarding weapons and safety at CP, hence why they don't have metal detectors. I honestly think it sends the wrong message to the people visiting the park when the first thing they have to do is go through a metal detector and bag checks. Plus it makes the admission procedure that much longer, rather than just being able to enter the park.

 

I hope they continue on as normal in the future, there's no need for enhanced security. Also, I'm sure park officials know exactly what happened, and I'm sure is not even remotely close to being as bad as rumors indicate. And when it boils down to it, whatever happened won't be serious enough to warrant the purchase of a rather expensive front gate security system that would have to be in place at four gates (and involve a LOT more staffing at each gate on a daily basis). I know we enthusiasts are prone to knee-jerk reactions to overblown stories, but this will turn out to be nothing in the end.

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I've never heard of any issues regarding weapons and safety at CP, hence why they don't have metal detectors. I honestly think it sends the wrong message to the people visiting the park when the first thing they have to do is go through a metal detector and bag checks.

 

I've never heard anyone say anything like that for any park, why would anyone object to something that would be there to make them safer? There are people who carry around weapons, and while I'm not saying park violence is a common thing, I'd rather wait an extra minute or two to know no one has any sort of weapon. And just because they haven't had any issues doesn't mean they don't need them. Don't wait until something happens to install them, install them right away so nothing ever will happen.

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^^ Yes, cedar point calls their actors screamsters.

 

^ At a place like cedar point it would take alot more than a minute or two to get through security especially with the crowds they get. Not to mention it would make getting around the resorts and 3 parks an inconvenience plus having 4 gates (six if you count soak city) would require a significant amount of new security staff members.

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I've never heard of any issues regarding weapons and safety at CP, hence why they don't have metal detectors. I honestly think it sends the wrong message to the people visiting the park when the first thing they have to do is go through a metal detector and bag checks.

 

I've never heard anyone say anything like that for any park, why would anyone object to something that would be there to make them safer? There are people who carry around weapons, and while I'm not saying park violence is a common thing, I'd rather wait an extra minute or two to know no one has any sort of weapon. And just because they haven't had any issues doesn't mean they don't need them. Don't wait until something happens to install them, install them right away so nothing ever will happen.

 

Believe me, with the time I've spent in and around parks in my time, I've heard plenty of people comment saying "this is confidence inspiring" when the first thing they do is go through metal detectors and pat downs. And like I said, the extra staffing and cost of that infrastructure has got to be absurdly high. There are parks all over the place that have no bag checks/metal detectors at the front gate and remain perfectly safe.

 

Just because one or two morons act like idiots doesn't mean the park should have to spend tons of extra money and man power in response to it. Punish those who do it rather than inconveniencing your company and future guests. I could go into a whole rant about how our country is too damn scared of the boogeyman (thanks to the fear mongering media), but I'll spare that one for another day.

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^ I agree completely, but I do understand why parks have them for a Halloween event. I don't think Universal uses metal detectors during normal daily operation but they set up temporary ones for HHN. I guess a Halloween event attracts a certain type of crowd that is more prone to having incidents occur, the alcohol sold at the event probably contributes a bit too. I know at HHN and HOS not only do they have metal detectors but they have a lot of increased security throughout the park (tons of local police and extra park security), and I've seen plenty of people escorted out of the event for skipping line, smoking in line, drinking underage, fighting, harassing actors in the houses, and other things that seem idiotic but not surprising in a crowd of drunk 19-30 year old people.

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I've never heard of any issues regarding weapons and safety at CP, hence why they don't have metal detectors. I honestly think it sends the wrong message to the people visiting the park when the first thing they have to do is go through a metal detector and bag checks.

 

I've never heard anyone say anything like that for any park, why would anyone object to something that would be there to make them safer? There are people who carry around weapons, and while I'm not saying park violence is a common thing, I'd rather wait an extra minute or two to know no one has any sort of weapon. And just because they haven't had any issues doesn't mean they don't need them. Don't wait until something happens to install them, install them right away so nothing ever will happen.

 

Believe me, with the time I've spent in and around parks in my time, I've heard plenty of people comment saying "this is confidence inspiring" when the first thing they do is go through metal detectors and pat downs. And like I said, the extra staffing and cost of that infrastructure has got to be absurdly high. There are parks all over the place that have no bag checks/metal detectors at the front gate and remain perfectly safe.

 

Just because one or two morons act like idiots doesn't mean the park should have to spend tons of extra money and man power in response to it. Punish those who do it rather than inconveniencing your company and future guests. I could go into a whole rant about how our country is too damn scared of the boogeyman (thanks to the fear mongering media), but I'll spare that one for another day.

 

I agree with deathbydinn, It's better to have safety procedures in place before something goes wrong. You CAN "go into a whole rant about how our country is too damn scared of the boogeyman (thanks to the fear mongering media)" but that doesn't mean you know whether or not some homicidal psycho decides one day to come into Cedar Point with a gun and shoot up the place. If that were to happen, Cedar Point (and probably all of Cedar Fair) would sure as hell be installing metal detectors at every gate then. I doubt a security system would really be that out of reach for any major corporation to install.

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I've never heard of any issues regarding weapons and safety at CP, hence why they don't have metal detectors. I honestly think it sends the wrong message to the people visiting the park when the first thing they have to do is go through a metal detector and bag checks.

 

I've never heard anyone say anything like that for any park, why would anyone object to something that would be there to make them safer? There are people who carry around weapons, and while I'm not saying park violence is a common thing, I'd rather wait an extra minute or two to know no one has any sort of weapon. And just because they haven't had any issues doesn't mean they don't need them. Don't wait until something happens to install them, install them right away so nothing ever will happen.

 

Believe me, with the time I've spent in and around parks in my time, I've heard plenty of people comment saying "this is confidence inspiring" when the first thing they do is go through metal detectors and pat downs. And like I said, the extra staffing and cost of that infrastructure has got to be absurdly high. There are parks all over the place that have no bag checks/metal detectors at the front gate and remain perfectly safe.

 

Just because one or two morons act like idiots doesn't mean the park should have to spend tons of extra money and man power in response to it. Punish those who do it rather than inconveniencing your company and future guests. I could go into a whole rant about how our country is too damn scared of the boogeyman (thanks to the fear mongering media), but I'll spare that one for another day.

 

Steve, I've got to disagree with you on this one. If nothing else because of the number of guests entering Cedar Point, they need some type of screening. Your comment of "because of one or two idiots," look at airports these days and what has and will continue to be spent on security.

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I disagree. While metal detectors do cause a bit of a back up at the front gate, I feel safer knowing everyone has passed through them. Having been at CW every year since they brought in the detectors, I've seen many arguments with security with people trying to bring in forbidden articles. I've seen things from water guns to long chains to nunchucks to knives (it was a mother, wanting to cut a fruit she brought) to bottles of alcohol taken away from people. There's also the good fact that there's a line of security standing right next to the ticket takers. I've seen a couple times where a guest tried to use someone elses season pass at which point several guards in the area basically surround the guest and try to work it out. There may be a slight increase in manpower to run the screening, but really, if the screening weren't there, you'd just have those guards out patrolling the park or responding to incidents which could have been deterred from the beginning.

 

I mean, I'll still feel safe going to a park without metal detectors and bag screening, but the positives of the program are really big in my eyes.

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I think metal detectors are a good thing to have at parks. My home park, Six Flags St Louis, has had them for as long as I can remember and they definitely provide security. In regards to longer waits to get into the park, I feel its pretty negligible. It can take a slight bit to get in, but it causes less backup on the entry line.

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I agree with deathbydinn, It's better to have safety procedures in place before something goes wrong. You CAN "go into a whole rant about how our country is too damn scared of the boogeyman (thanks to the fear mongering media)" but that doesn't mean you know whether or not some homicidal psycho decides one day to come into Cedar Point with a gun and shoot up the place. If that were to happen, Cedar Point (and probably all of Cedar Fair) would sure as hell be installing metal detectors at every gate then. I doubt a security system would really be that out of reach for any major corporation to install.

 

I agree with you and deathbydinn as well. It's better to be proactive in the world of safety, rather than being reactive. You don't wait until there is some massacre at Cedar Point to finally wise up. It may be sad and it may not be what most people want to hear or go through, but let's face it, this is where our society is at right now. There are also other benefits to tightening up security, such as lowering insurance premiums, which could essentially pay for it over a period of time anyway.

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