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P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

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2 hours ago, boldikus said:

Why is everyone discussing CP potentially changing of the launch on Dragster when that had nothing to do with something coming off the train when it hit the brake run? 🤣

I made that point and no one paid attention. May the odds forever be in your favor. 

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I heard that someone at Cedar Point had looked into a crystal ball and knew that the CP TTD accident was going to happen. They told Tony and he thought it would make sense to close down Wicked Twister because they could use the existing hardware to launch Top Thrill Dragster, save some money, and to please coaster enthusiasts which want the change for no apparent reason.

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Amazing no new on the health status of this lady that was injured on TTD. The only thing was she got moved to another facility from Firelands hosp. Normally something would've leaked by now. I hope she's okay.

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Some of the current queue times from Cedar Point; glad I left like a half hour ago.  The main parking lot was about 150 cars short of being full.  FL+ or not, super-crowded parks are not my thing.

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Rode Corkscrew for the first time in probably 10 years and man those old Arrow trains are brutal! I can't imagine how crunched anyone over 5'8" is in those things. The airtime on the first drop and the hill before the loop is pretty nuts though! 

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8 hours ago, ytterbiumanalyst said:

90 minutes for Corkscrew is a crime against humanity.

But 90 minutes for Corkscrew means less people in other line. So I gracefully thank such people.

When we were in Heide Park, their corkscrew and their SLC had each 30 minutes. I laughed very hard after my 20 minute wait for the Colossus front row.

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On 8/21/2021 at 10:27 AM, coasternut said:

Amazing no new on the health status of this lady that was injured on TTD. The only thing was she got moved to another facility from Firelands hosp. Normally something would've leaked by now. I hope she's okay.

She wasn’t injured *on* TTD though. 

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No update on the guests condition but some more detailed info about what caused the incident.
https://fox8.com/news/watch-live-officials-give-update-after-woman-hurt-by-flying-metal-at-cedar-point/

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SANDUSKSY, Ohio (WJW) – Questions are still swirling after a metal object broke off of a passenger train on a Cedar Point ride as it was ending a run and struck a woman in the head while she was waiting in line.

The 44-year-old victim, from Michigan, was taken to the hospital for serious injuries. The Ohio Department of Agriculture provided an update on the current status of the ongoing Cedar Point ride investigation today at 3 p.m. The park recently announced they are closing the Top Thrill Dragster after the incident on August 15 for the remainder of the season while they investigate. During the live news conference, ODA Amusement Ride Safety Division Chief, David Miran says there is no update on the condition of the victim.

The investigation hasn’t revealed yet how fast the train was going when the metal object dislodged, but it’s possible it was at max velocity. According to Cedar Point’s website, the ride goes from zero to 120 mph in less than four seconds. Miran says officials also aren’t sure where the metal piece dislodged initially. Miran says the last inspection was May 14, 2021.

The “L”-shaped bracket that dislodged is a piece of metal that hovers over sensors on the track to let the system know where the train is on the track, Miran explained. Cedar Point is currently in possession of the bracket. According to a release from ODA, the L-shaped bracket, known as a flag plate, which was approximately the size of an adult male’s hand, dislodged from the left side of the ride’s green train car before hitting the victim in the head. Half of the bolts which secured the plate to the train body had also dislodged, ODA says.

ODA inspectors also found that the brakes that slow the cars at the end of each ride, showed signs of impact and deformation and several horizontal track beams also showed signs of impact, as close as 25 feet from the damaged brake bracket.

There are no reports of injuries to passengers on the ride at this time. Because the investigation is still ongoing, the documents containing the findings are not being released. Stay tuned to FOX 8 and fox8.com for further developments.

 

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On 8/19/2021 at 4:37 PM, thrillseeker4552 said:

I am just going to throw this out there. What do we think the possibility of a major overhaul is?

 

On 8/19/2021 at 5:07 PM, Mike240SX said:

Also, the reports all indicated that something few off the train while it was on the return sides brakes, not the launch, so I'm not sure why anyone would be concerned with the launch.

If anything in terms of a redesign happens it should be the queue line.  I was never comfortable in TTD or Kingda Ka's queue for similar reasons.  I'm all for getting up close and personal to a coaster's layout but putting endless switchbacks flanked on all sides by murderous steel is a bit different than a hard hat tour.

 

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On 8/23/2021 at 8:16 PM, KBrylczyk said:

I'm all for getting up close and personal to a coaster's layout but putting endless switchbacks flanked on all sides by murderous steel is a bit different than a hard hat tour.

 

"Murderous steel"

wow.

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So I haven't been to CP in 6-7 years and thought about making a weekday trip next week for the heck of it.  I know schools have been back in session this week and will be next week as well, so I was curious about crowd levels and operations this last week.   I've looked at the webcams and the lot looks less than half full, which seems promising.  Mainly though - how have operations been?  I cant imagine they have a plethora of workers right now.  Just looking for some insight.

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7 minutes ago, NegativeGLover said:

So I haven't been to CP in 6-7 years and thought about making a weekday trip next week for the heck of it.  I know schools have been back in session this week and will be next week as well, so I was curious about crowd levels and operations this last week.   I've looked at the webcams and the lot looks less than half full, which seems promising.  Mainly though - how have operations been?  I cant imagine they have a plethora of workers right now.  Just looking for some insight.

I was there Thursday and Friday of last week and pretty much every ride that was going to operate, did.  That means no Maxair or Dragster, but everything else was running, and I didn't notice any closed food stands/drink refill areas.  In the water park, one of the lazy rivers and one of the tube slide towers were closed, but everything else was running.

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Photo (-TR), August 19th through the 21st

So, I was at Cedar Point the above dates.  Nobody really needs to hear my wait times, and there really wasn't anything notable about the trip (aside from what I'm about to mention), but here's a bunch of photos!

I honestly can't remember what the entry way looked like before this....

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A rare sight indeed!  Millennium Force's station without a grouper!

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Poor Dragster. :(

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Next up will be a whole bunch of pictures of the "Cedar Point Nights" event that was held on the beach, and was generally free for anyone (really only had to pay for food, drinks, or games).

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Some night shots of Windseeker.  Why does it seem like this one has a much better light program than the others?

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Amusingly, this one does not keep the base structure (the blue part) for the emergency escape platforms at the bottom of the tower, as I've always seen on KI's and KD's.  I've seen the yellow "arms" near Gatekeeper, but never the blue base part.

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Some night shots of the Ferris Wheel.  When did they upgrade the lights on this to a programmable LED system?

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Now, some night shots of Wicked Twister.  RIP.

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And now some night shots from the Skyride.

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How have I never noticed the wing lights or red eyes on Gatekeeper before?

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The irony of them issuing a FL+ wristband with Dragster on it, when its days at the park may be numbered...

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Some more shots of Wicked Twister, taken before my final ride.

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And so long, Cedar Point...until Halloweekends!

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BONUS!  A night video of a complete Wicked Twister cycle!

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Pro tip: We would prefer to see the best of each view instead of every picture you took, that was exhausting to get through! Looked beautiful though!

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I shall call this still life:
 

"people shitting on plastic toilets on the beach"

 

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It can be the title of the debut album by Murderous Steel.

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11 hours ago, NegativeGLover said:

So I haven't been to CP in 6-7 years and thought about making a weekday trip next week for the heck of it.  I know schools have been back in session this week and will be next week as well, so I was curious about crowd levels and operations this last week.   I've looked at the webcams and the lot looks less than half full, which seems promising.  Mainly though - how have operations been?  I cant imagine they have a plethora of workers right now.  Just looking for some insight.

I have been delinquent in posting about my trip to CP last week with my 4 kids, so in response to this is as good a time as any!

We were there at the park on Thursday, the 19th, in celebration of my Birthday that day! I hadn't actually been to CP since mid-2018, for a variety of reasons, but prior to that, I'd been every years for decades, often multiple times. So this was a long overdue return.

At any rate, as it pertains to your questions NegativeGLover, the operations at the park seemed pretty good, for the most part, and as Mike240SX mentioned, the only main rides down were TTD and maXair. When it comes to the crowds, at least on that day, the claims of not being able to have a good day at the park without Fast Lane proved very untrue that day, as it was not very crowded at all, with the only real wait of the day on Steel Vengeance during our first ride at park's opening to the public, and even that was less than 45 minutes. My kids waited about 30-45 for Valravn as well (I didn't ride, as I was with my youngest who is too short for the B&Ms still), but that was the only other wait over about 25 minutes. Most rides were walk-ons or station waits. The three older kids actually went to SV for their final ride of the night, and instead of getting only 1 ride, they got 3, back to back to back, as the wait was only on the stairs each time. 3 NEAR WALK ONS OF STEEL VENGEANCE IN A ROW! Amazing! So yeah, I'd definitely say, at least based on that Thursday visit last week (which was when Michigan schools were still out, which seemed to be most of the people there), crowds are way down from their insufferable Summer levels.

Getting back to my mini-TR, it was an absolutely awesome day at Cedar Point, and a great time as a family was had by all!  It also reinforced what I've stated repeatedly over the years about the best way to visit CP being smart about WHEN you go, vs. going in the Summer, and wasting (in my opinion) two or three times the gate price on skip-the-line passes. Sure, some people have no other option about when they go, and what they do with their hard earned money is their business. But as I've maintained for decades, if you're willing to be flexible about when you go to CP, and can go when schools are either still in session or have started up again, you're going to have a much better time at the park, AND your pocketbook will thank you as well! We hardly spent anything at the park last Thursday (other than a fabulous meal our first time at the wonderful new BackBeat Que restaurant! A great addition!), and had what we all felt like was arguably our best day ever (cue groans) at Cedar Point!

I have a lot of negative things to say about Cedar Fair as a company, and am one of their sharpest critics, but there were definitely a lot of positives to take away from the visit, and given what I'd heard over the past couple of years since I'd been, I was expecting a bad day at the park, and it was anything but that. Their absurdly awful policy of not letting kids who are too short to ride, wait in line with their parents and walk through at the station makes the mentally ill patients I work with daily look sane, and they are woefully out of sync on that issue with literally every other park I've been to over the past couple of years that isn't a Cedar Fair park. However, unlike Michigan's Adventure, which appalled me with a laundry list of negatives when I finally returned there this year as well, that was pretty much the only negative from the day. It exceeded expectations, and left my kids and myself very satisfied!

One last exciting thing from the trip I wanted to share, was that I went in fully expecting not to be able to get a final ride (at least at CP) on Wicked Twister, which has always been one of my favorite underrated coasters there. I was unable to fit on the coaster back in 2018, the first time I'd ever been "Walk of Shamed" on a coaster, and tried the test seat on Possessed earlier this year, and didn't fit, so I figured even with my recent healthy lifestyle change, weight loss, and inches lost around the belly, it would be a no-go. I tried the test seat out for the heck of it though, and fit! I then made it on the coaster itself, in a glorious final comeback, and it was awesome, and so satisfying to be able to ride it again! So, all the work and the foods I love that I've given up for the past couple months paid off, and it was a very exciting and rewarding moment! Just know that if you saw me at Holiwood Nights, and you saw me at a park now, you would definitely see a different me, and one who is in a lot better shape, and will make his Dr. happy next month when checking in! It was actually that weekend (including KK) that was the final straw in showing me I needed to get serious about getting healthier, and losing weight, or I was going to ruin my enjoyment of parks, and also continue ruining my body. Thanks as well to those who have encouraged me in my weight loss from this site - you know who you are! 

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7 hours ago, DILinator said:

Their absurdly awful policy of not letting kids who are too short to ride, wait in line with their parents and walk through at the station makes the mentally ill patients I work with daily look sane, and they are woefully out of sync on that issue with literally every other park I've been to over the past couple of years that isn't a Cedar Fair park.

While I'm sure your intentions are for the best, think about how many times people have tried to get under height people on the rides? Is it an inconvenience? Yes, but it speeds operations up because you aren't height checking everyone loading a train.

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34 minutes ago, CoasterNerd87 said:

While I'm sure your intentions are for the best, think about how many times people have tried to get under height people on the rides? Is it an inconvenience? Yes, but it speeds operations up because you aren't height checking everyone loading a train.

You can do the same height check directly before going into the station so everybody knows who is going to ride and who will wait for the others. Europa-Park does it like this. I don't see how train loading/unloading operations could be affected by the placement of the height chech. If somebody is in a one hour line with someone under minimum size its their problem.

As a dad of two undersized kids I fully understand what @DILinator means.

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