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Did they happen to mention how heavy that train is?

I feel bad because this is all I post about lately but no... if a park has the ability to open and there's demand and they choose to stay closed then they're dumb. Period. Be creative and figure it ou

So basically there were about as many rides open as there would be in peak season with 15 mph winds.

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Before the whining starts: you can tell that this will be a highly banked S-curve and it will be taken at a high speed. Not quite as delicious as a heartline, but it's still going to be awesome.

 

Yeah, but the S-Curve will probably be better than just a flat piece of track.

 

Or so you would think. Storm Runner's S-curve slams riders' heads from one side of the harness to the other. Ow. I can't imagine how much more painful that would be at the speed Maverick's trains will be taking that curve. Maybe a flat-section would've been better off.

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"S-curve"?

 

Erm... Well, considering the train has to bank the other direction anyway to meet up with the next corner, that's about all it can do.

 

Its not a replacement "element", it's just a transition between two corners, like there is near the very start of the ride.

 

 

Shame the roll had to go, but looking at the videos of it testing, it was quite obviously not going to feel nice. The headrests (position of the rider's head) swung under as it rolled in a very awkward way- it would have been more sensible to curl around this point of the rider instead of the heartline. Bah.

 

Still, the airtime is all I'm interested in. And that's all still there

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It is disapointing to say the least, while I hope not too much headbanging will result from the "new" "S" element.

 

I wonder if the CF agreement with Intamin calls for a coaster with three (3) inversions. If it does, we may see it return during the off season, or some compensation be give to CF. (food for thought).

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I wonder if the CF agreement with Intamin calls for a coaster with three (3) inversions. If it does, we may see it return during the off season, or some compensation be give to CF. (food for thought).

 

A third inversion will not find a place on Maverick without additional extensive modifactions to the current ride -- which I doubt the park is considering. A lot of resources and time has been lost just for this one modification. Maverick will have two inversions, and will stay that way.

 

A lot of you keep forgetting that this modification process is a pricey one and has cost Cedar Point a good month's worth of Maverick operation. While it is more than gauranteed the modification is being done for free by IntaRide, it's still an embarassment to the park. Good thing Cedar Point has held their ground and is doing the best they can to get this problem fixed.

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I'm sad that the coaster got delayed but as long as it opens early june I'm fine with it. The pictures of it look awesome, and I can't wait to ride it, I don't think it will be the best coaster in the park that title belongs to raptor but I think it is a very nice addition to the already 16 great coasters in the park. I do wish that cedar point would add a floorless coaster, but time will tell.

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Kraxle, that was my point. The modification process is VERY expensive AND CP has certainly lost revenue and credality due to a significant mistake by Intamin.

 

Being in sales myself, I have worked on/sold many significant legal agreements between multi billion dollar companies. I strongly suspect Intamin will be held to the "fire" with this one leaving them two (2) options imo.

 

1) Reconfigure the ride at Intamin's cost for next year adding the third loop.

2) Reimburse CP for the loss of revenue and embarrassment.

 

Something will happen behind the scenes and hope we find out (come on Screamscape).

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Before the whining starts: you can tell that this will be a highly banked S-curve and it will be taken at a high speed. Not quite as delicious as a heartline, but it's still going to be awesome.

 

Yeah, but the S-Curve will probably be better than just a flat piece of track.

 

Or so you would think. Storm Runner's S-curve slams riders' heads from one side of the harness to the other. Ow. I can't imagine how much more painful that would be at the speed Maverick's trains will be taking that curve. Maybe a flat-section would've been better off.

 

What people don't seem to realize, is that immediatly after the heartline roll, there is a slight left hand curve leading into the first stengel dive. This is just a change of banking heading into that curve.

 

What really sucks is that they seemed to have enough room to signifigantly extend the roll, but for whatever reason didn't. You can really see here and here just how much room they had that just didn't utilize. I mean, would you rather have a completly nuetered Maverick open early june, or a Maverick with an extended heartline roll open later this summer?

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I think we'll see a neutered Maverick open very soon, and hope the return to Maverick's original design with a modified hearline next year. (At Intamin's cost of course).

 

You bring up an excellent point that there is a ton of room to elongate the heartline. But suspect inorder to do that - major design modifications and totally new footers would need to be installed throughout that area of the ride. They would never be able to do that and open this year.

 

Tom

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I know that heartline roll seemed painful, but having been on Storm Runner, the s-curve doesn't seem like a good replacement. I slammed against the headrest enough on that one at lower speeds, imagine it at 70 MPH?

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What people don't seem to realize, is that immediatly after the heartline roll, there is a slight left hand curve leading into the first stengel dive. This is just a change of banking heading into that curve.

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On the contrary, I am very aware of it all. Still doesn't negate the rapid side-to-side head movement that will be produced by the rapid change in direction during the S-curve. Three words: Storm Runner S-Curve. Make that four: Ouch.

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1) Reconfigure the ride at Intamin's cost for next year adding the third loop.

2) Reimburse CP for the loss of revenue and embarrassment.

 

I call BS on #2. Unless the original contract stipulated penalties for not meeting a deadline, why the hell would Intamin pay? And with these projects being so complex and unpredictable, why would Intamin ever agree to such terms? Revenue loss is a pretty nebulous thing, as there is no way to accurately figure out how much money this has cost Cedar Point, if much at all. I was there opening weekend, and the place had a pretty good crowd.

 

#1 is a definite possibility because the ride is now not meeting the original specifications.

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^^ I personally have never hit my head against the restraints on Storm Runner. I can see where people are getting this, but I have never experienced the headbanging.

 

I am sure Intamin and Cedar Point know what they are doing by adding the S curve.

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^^ Whether IntaRide should pay or not is completely irrelevant. If Cedar Fair should decide to take them to court over it (this instance has happened in the industry before), then IntaRide will most likely pony up the dough.

 

Six Flags has filed lawsuits against Vekoma In't and Arrow Dynamics in the past for loss of revenue and marketing expenses due to a ride(s) that were not delivered on time as promised. And believe it or not, manufacturers and design firms do agree to a specified target delivery date that is usually gauranteed. When this is breached, they face potential lawsuit or some sort of compensation from the park or company.

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^^ Whether IntaRide should pay or not is completely irrelevant. If Cedar Fair should decide to take them to court over it (this instance has happened in the industry before), then IntaRide will most likely pony up the dough.

 

Six Flags has filed lawsuits against Vekoma In't and Arrow Dynamics in the past for loss of revenue and marketing expenses due to a ride(s) that were not delivered on time as promised. And believe it or not, manufacturers and design firms do agree to a specified target delivery date that is usually gauranteed. When this is breached, they face potential lawsuit or some sort of compensation from the park or company.

Get a life shit head.

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Ginzo, with all due respect, if the ride does not meet the original specifications then that is a breach of contract. It may be less expensive for Intamin to "cut a deal" with CP ($$$$) avoiding a costly lawsuit.

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I think we're all shocked at this development. ATM, Krax is right on the money. Who knows, maybe we'll see another new coaster at CP sooner rather than later.

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Ginzo, with all due respect, if the ride does not meet the original specifications then that is a breach of contract. It may be less expensive for Intamin to "cut a deal" with CP ($$$$) avoiding a costly lawsuit.

 

*shrug* Nobody here really knows the particulars of this contract, nor who pushed to have the inversion removed. Innovation and deadlines are not happy bedfellows. Who other than Intamin could bring a project like this to fruition? I don't see the utility in pushing a vendor around for a relatively minor delay that will likely have little impact on the CF's bottom line and long term prospects.

 

Maverick will be up and working soon, and the vast majority of CP guests won't even know about the delay. I was up there from Saturday through Monday, and heard NOTHING about Maverick. I did hear about a supposed coaster in Japan that is taller than TTD.

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