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That enhances my opinion that because the crowds did not show up on Columbus Day weekend the way they were expected, they were anticipating last weekend to be softer than it was. This is purely reactionary regardless of the actual attendance this weekend.

 

Source: I've done the same thing at my job.

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They are. The park is slammed.

One of my friends posted that they were only able to get on three rides today at the Point due to insane crowds.

 

Kind of unusual to see CCMR with a 45 minute wait and rides like Blue Streak, Iron Dragon, and Corkscrew with waits over an hour. Also, all the haunted houses are an hour or more.

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Yeah, park was ridiculously packed, I was there Friday and Saturday morning and left around 1. 30 minutes after park opening, nearly everything had an hour plus wait. When I left, the parking lot was jam packed, and the line to park was backed up all the way back to the intersection near Breakers Express and was using three lanes instead of two.

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Here's an article on Cleveland.com about Ouimet leaving the chain, with a few little bits of information about Cedar Point.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2017/10/outgoing_incoming_cedar_fair_c.html

 

One thing to note that I hadn't seen anywhere else:

Coming in 2018: An expanded beach boardwalk that will link the park's main parking lot to the beach, Hotel Breakers and Cedar Point Shores.

 

This is great. I walked that part of the beach a few years ago and it was, um, not in great shape.

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^ An interesting article - thanks for posting!

 

I agree that it will be nice to see the boardwalk revamped on that side. It is a great walk from the resorts if you want to skip large chunks of crowds to get to the front of the park a bit faster. Very scenic too.

 

Edit - I also want to apologize to everyone with regards to a couple of political remarks that I made as I know that this is not the place to air political views. I should have left well enough alone, but sometimes my passion gets the best of me. My intent was certainly not to start a flame war, but I guess given today's sensitivity on the subject, I should have known better. Again, my apologies - especially to Chuck and the mods for having to clean up the thread.

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According to a friend who went in the afternoon, it took him 2 hours to even park. Millennium was 3+ hours. I don't even want to begin to imagine what that looked like.

I would guess it was spilling onto the midway and maybe even past the train crossing. I did hear that Millennium did have waits of six hours its first year. I also won't be surprised if SV gets 4-5+ hour waits on busy days next year

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^ Next year would be a definite time to go to CoasterMANIA! on June 1st.

With (probable/possible?) ERT on Steel Vengence. Worth repeating here.

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Last shot of SV I took, after CoasterMANIA! weekend. Monday, June 5, 2017.

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Here's an article on Cleveland.com about Ouimet leaving the chain, with a few little bits of information about Cedar Point.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2017/10/outgoing_incoming_cedar_fair_c.html

 

One thing to note that I hadn't seen anywhere else:

Coming in 2018: An expanded beach boardwalk that will link the park's main parking lot to the beach, Hotel Breakers and Cedar Point Shores.

 

This is great. I walked that part of the beach a few years ago and it was, um, not in great shape.

 

 

I love this quote from Ouimet regarding Fast Lane:

 

...the revenue from the pass that allows Cedar Point and other parks to continue to build bigger and better rides.

 

"You have to realize that those people are paying for Steel Vengeance," he said, referencing the massive new roller coaster that is under construction at Cedar Point.

 

Next time you're FL'ing for Steel Vengeance just smile, wave, and say "you're welcome"

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I wonder how much Steel Vengeance has to do with the timing of the boardwalk expansion. I sort of feel like if it weren't for this expansion, passholders would flood the Cedar Point Shores lot trying to get to Steel Vengeance for Early Entry and take up a ton of spots that are really meant for people going to Cedar Point Shores (since there's really no reasonable way to get to the resort gate from the main lot right now) and they're trying to provide people with easy access to the resort gate and Cedar Point Shores from the main lot in-case this becomes an issue.

 

I don't know that this is the main reason for the boardwalk expansion but I'll bet it's a factor in the timing.

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Yeah I would expect Steel Vengeance to have perfectly average capacity. I'm sure they'll have a great crew so with 24 passenger trains I'd assume they'd realistically be able to put through between 1,000 and 1,300 people per hour depending on the hour. The former could be achieved with 90 second dispatch times (even assuming each train has a few empty seats). To achieve the latter you would need to run with about 60 second dispatch times which is expecting a lot with a coaster type that has seatbelts, lap bars and is generally pretty restrictive and will likely have some walks of shame but I don't think it's totally outside the realm of possibility depending on the crew.

 

It won't be Gatekeeper but it won't be Maverick either. It'll be perfectly average.

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I wonder how much Steel Vengeance has to do with the timing of the boardwalk expansion. I sort of feel like if it weren't for this expansion, passholders would flood the Cedar Point Shores lot trying to get to Steel Vengeance for Early Entry and take up a ton of spots that are really meant for people going to Cedar Point Shores (since there's really no reasonable way to get to the resort gate from the main lot right now) and they're trying to provide people with easy access to the resort gate and Cedar Point Shores from the main lot in-case this becomes an issue.

 

I don't know that this is the main reason for the boardwalk expansion but I'll bet it's a factor in the timing.

As soon as I read about the boardwalk that was my immediate thought as well, and I would think parking in the back would become a disaster as soon as shores opens up for the season (even before that quite frankly). Once Shores opens up I'm curious how they will manage, or, like you said, now they have a boardwalk so it doesn't really matter where they have to end up parking. It'll be interesting for sure. I could also see them limiting parking to the shores parking lot in the early morning and then opening it up later in the day to prevent early entry folk from going back there if they aren't hotel guests. Obviously always allowing hotel guests back there if they say they are hotel guests. They did this when the Shores lot was closed for the weekend of pointfest.
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I wonder how much Steel Vengeance has to do with the timing of the boardwalk expansion. I sort of feel like if it weren't for this expansion, passholders would flood the Cedar Point Shores lot trying to get to Steel Vengeance for Early Entry and take up a ton of spots that are really meant for people going to Cedar Point Shores (since there's really no reasonable way to get to the resort gate from the main lot right now) and they're trying to provide people with easy access to the resort gate and Cedar Point Shores from the main lot in-case this becomes an issue.

 

I don't know that this is the main reason for the boardwalk expansion but I'll bet it's a factor in the timing.

 

I don't think Steel Vengeance had anything to do with it. They have been really cracking down on parking back there. When I stayed at Lighthouse Point this year and was walking over for early entry they had someone at the entrance to each Lighthouse Point lot and the Shores lot not allowing traffic in. They were telling people Shores parking wasn't open yet.

 

I think this has more to do with Ouimet's focus on the beach and driving revenue there through the events and F&B offerings they do there. Once the park closes there is no real way for day guests to get from beach back to their car (besides the tiny shuttle) - this will be that solve. I would bet big money we'll see a F&B location (hopefully more B then F...) on the beach as part of this.

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This expanded boardwalk thing feels like an extension of the stuff the park has been incorporating into projects for the last few years now. They have been redoing/improving the entry areas to the park starting with the main gate for GateKeeper, the marina gate for Valravn, and the Magnum gate when doing the work for CP Shores. It seems like they are working to enhance the "first impression" guests get when coming into the park. This boardwalk will provide a fresh, new way for people to park in the main lot and access the beach, entrances along the lake, restaurants at Breakers etc..

 

In fact, the Gatekeeper plaza looks more like an entrance from the beach than just a normal ride area; maybe it was part of the long term plan for that to be an entrance area from the boardwalk. I know it seems redundant with the Windseeker entrance there, but it really has that appearance. I'm very interested to see what the extent of the boardwalk project is!

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I love this quote from Ouimet regarding Fast Lane:

 

...the revenue from the pass that allows Cedar Point and other parks to continue to build bigger and better rides.

 

"You have to realize that those people are paying for Steel Vengeance," he said, referencing the massive new roller coaster that is under construction at Cedar Point.

 

Next time you're FL'ing for Steel Vengeance just smile, wave, and say "you're welcome"

 

As one of the more vocal non-FL people around here, my response to this, while I go to the park in May during the week and wait in minimal lines without FL for Steel Vengeance anyway, is: "Thank you, suckers!!!"

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Yeah I would expect Steel Vengeance to have perfectly average capacity. I'm sure they'll have a great crew so with 24 passenger trains I'd assume they'd realistically be able to put through between 1,000 and 1,300 people per hour depending on the hour. The former could be achieved with 90 second dispatch times (even assuming each train has a few empty seats). To achieve the latter you would need to run with about 60 second dispatch times which is expecting a lot with a coaster type that has seatbelts, lap bars and is generally pretty restrictive and will likely have some walks of shame but I don't think it's totally outside the realm of possibility depending on the crew.

 

It won't be Gatekeeper but it won't be Maverick either. It'll be perfectly average.

 

^You right. Steel Vengeance should easily eat through the same amount of rider's as Valravn. They both have the same theoretical capacity at 1,200 rph but Steel Vengeance does not have the floors to deal with. Valravn did 1.6 million riders last year and averages 1,000+ rph so I think Steel Vengeance will be fine.

 

And when I rode Twisted Colossus earlier in the year, I raced on both laps on almost every ride I took. So if Magic Mountain can run their 3 train RMC nicely, I'm sure Cedar Point will handle Steel Vengeance even better.

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Quick Platinum Pass question(s). I purchased my pass a couple months ago and I was able to answer my own questions on FunPix and Parking at other parks but the one thing I couldn’t find much on was the bring-a-friend deals. Are they valid at all CF parks? Is there a limit to how many times you can “bring a friend”? And is there a limit to how many friends you can bring at once?

 

Sorry if I seem ignorant but I’m used to Darien Lake’s older system where you’re given 3 or 4 extra passes and that’s all you get.

 

Thanks guys!

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^ Yes, bring a friend deals are valid at all CF parks. I used it last year with my Platinum Pass from Worlds of Fun to get my family into Valleyfair at a discount.

 

There are certain days they're valid, and these vary by park. Check the individual park's website under season pass discounts. Basically CF treats a Platinum Pass the same as having the highest tier season pass to every park. So for example, if you have a Platinum Pass from any CF park, Valleyfair will give you whatever a Valleyfair Gold Pass holder would get.

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