GCI Wooden Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I also rode Renegade with Renegade Mike on the last day of the season. My ride count for Renegade this season was 980. I was wondering did anyone find that Renegade was running extremely rough? I thought it was real smooth during the regular season then when I went on the last day I thought it was running rough? Maybe the cool weather had something to do with Renegade running rough. And is there going to be any refurbishing done during the off season with the Enterprise? New paint and LED lights possibly? I thought Renegade was running pretty smooth minus the last turn, last weekend. I thought that Enterprise received LED's last year, but I am not entirely sure. All I know is that I heard a couple people say that Enterprise looked really good at night, this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meghna Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I also rode Renegade with Renegade Mike on the last day of the season. My ride count for Renegade this season was 980. I was wondering did anyone find that Renegade was running extremely rough? I thought it was real smooth during the regular season then when I went on the last day I thought it was running rough? Maybe the cool weather had something to do with Renegade running rough. And is there going to be any refurbishing done during the off season with the Enterprise? New paint and LED lights possibly? I thought Renegade was running pretty smooth minus the last turn, last weekend. I thought that Enterprise received LED's last year, but I am not entirely sure. All I know is that I heard a couple people say that Enterprise looked really good at night, this year. I know one of the cars has LED lights, just cause it's super annoying compared to the yellow of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWingRider Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 They should paint the enterprise so it actually fun to look at. And a color that is scarce at the park like red, blue, purple, or black. Definetly not orange, green, or white. It makes sense too because the 2016 focus is of that general area. Hope it happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF15 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I also rode Renegade with Renegade Mike on the last day of the season. My ride count for Renegade this season was 980. I was wondering did anyone find that Renegade was running extremely rough? I thought it was real smooth during the regular season then when I went on the last day I thought it was running rough? Maybe the cool weather had something to do with Renegade running rough. And is there going to be any refurbishing done during the off season with the Enterprise? New paint and LED lights possibly? The last few turns before the station were a little rough the last time I rode Renegade (October 11th). Hopefully they'll retrack those spots over the offseason. I personally think Enterprise looks fine the way it is. Is there something you guys are seeing on it that I'm not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWingRider Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 It's just sort of a meh looking ride. It's not a big deal, I was just pointing out it would look great in that area if they painted it, especially since they are refurbishing that area this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF15 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Cedar Fair had its 3rd Quarter Conference Call yesterday, and I noticed that Valleyfair was mentioned a few times. It appears that the Cedar Fair executives still think Valleyfair has good potential for growth as they did two years ago, which is nice. Canada's Wonderland our amusement park near Toronto and Valleyfair our park near Minneapolis have also contributed nicely to the year-over-year lift in attendance. From the park growth standpoint, the way I've been characterizing internally to the Board is, I probably did a poor job on Carowinds because I think we underestimated the potential of that park. And even given what we had assumed going in with our new CapEx it is exceeding our expectations and has for the first time jumped over the hurdle of 2 million plus in attendance. We are doing the same type of exercises that we did for Carowinds, as we had mentioned before for Valleyfair and for Great America and to some degree for our other parks and I am optimistic. I don’t know that the opportunity will be the same size as Carowinds but I think that given our success at Carowinds it makes us beyond curious for what might happen at Valleyfair and Great America. I should say in those cases by the way, we may have more tight restrictions than we have at Carowinds and that may ultimately prove to be a limiting factor. Although we recently filed a re-zoning application for Great America which will expand our opportunity for what we can add to that park. Cedar Fair's (FUN) CEO Matt Ouimet on Q3 2015 Results - Earnings Call Transcript $FUN http://www.seekingalpha.com/article/3655906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyman6 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Cedar Fair had its 3rd Quarter Conference Call yesterday, and I noticed that Valleyfair was mentioned a few times. It appears that the Cedar Fair executives still think Valleyfair has good potential for growth as they did two years ago, which is nice.Canada's Wonderland our amusement park near Toronto and Valleyfair our park near Minneapolis have also contributed nicely to the year-over-year lift in attendance. From the park growth standpoint, the way I've been characterizing internally to the Board is, I probably did a poor job on Carowinds because I think we underestimated the potential of that park. And even given what we had assumed going in with our new CapEx it is exceeding our expectations and has for the first time jumped over the hurdle of 2 million plus in attendance. We are doing the same type of exercises that we did for Carowinds, as we had mentioned before for Valleyfair and for Great America and to some degree for our other parks and I am optimistic. I don’t know that the opportunity will be the same size as Carowinds but I think that given our success at Carowinds it makes us beyond curious for what might happen at Valleyfair and Great America. I should say in those cases by the way, we may have more tight restrictions than we have at Carowinds and that may ultimately prove to be a limiting factor. Although we recently filed a re-zoning application for Great America which will expand our opportunity for what we can add to that park. Cedar Fair's (FUN) CEO Matt Ouimet on Q3 2015 Results - Earnings Call Transcript $FUN http://www.seekingalpha.com/article/3655906 We just need to be patient! Cedar Fair has been doing a lot with Valleyfair. Stating that 2016 is to be a lean year for investment may be premature. Mr. Ouimet didn't even rule out a similar scale of investment but rather said it makes them "beyond curious for what might happen at Valleyfair and Great America." I say bring it on Mr. Ouimet! We are ready for the ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmillzy Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I would be scared if we were getting the same additions as CGA. They are a small tiny park that has a 150 height limit. If anything that CGA needs, they need water park gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyman6 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I was referring to making changes similar to Carowinds not CGA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I was referring to making changes similar to Carowinds not CGA! Good Luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyman6 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Did you read the 3rd quarter statement? Those are the words of Mr. Ouimet not me. He followed it up with that he didn't know if it would be to the same scale but he reiterated once again Valleyfair as being a growth park. Everyone wants to look at the current 2016 lack of investment and go crying about little Valleyfair! Everyone seems to forget that Cedar Fair has already spent WELL over 20 million in the last few years already bringing the park up to date . Make sure you keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomPoster32 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 ^Because they HAD to. You can't neglect basic upkeep forever and then expect it to be cheap fix. I'm still not sold on VF ever getting huge influxes of CapEx at one time. Even the transcript reads that way. I'd definitely caution those who are VF fans foaming at the thought of a Carowinds sized expansion coming to your park. It won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XSupremacy Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I would be scared if we were getting the same additions as CGA. They are a small tiny park that has a 150 height limit. If anything that CGA needs, they need water park gains. What height limit? Star tower and Drop tower are both over 200 feet tall. You're thinking about Six Flags Discovery Kingdom with that height limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Peck Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yes, Great America has a height limit of 200, Discovery Kingdom is 150. I've seen parks do "updates" and from the looks of Valleyfair, they have gone well above this. There are things that need to be re-worked and I'm anxious to see what they do with the offerings and infrastructure going forward as they expand the waterpark and build that entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyman6 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 ^Because they HAD to. You can't neglect basic upkeep forever and then expect it to be cheap fix. I'm still not sold on VF ever getting huge influxes of CapEx at one time. Even the transcript reads that way. I'd definitely caution those who are VF fans foaming at the thought of a Carowinds sized expansion coming to your park. It won't happen. Im not talking general improvements, That 20 million has been spent on attractions! Valleyfair was credited with helping improve attendance and again was mentioned as a growth park by Mr. Ouimet. What they will do exactly remains a secret but its obvious that cedar fair has big plans for Valleyfair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyman6 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Newsplusnotes.com is now reporting what Mr. Ouimet stated during the 3rd Quarter statement. They mentioned Valleyfair as contributing significantly in the attendance growth for 2015 and they mentioned Valleyfair and CGA as the two focus parks for large growth! These are not my words but words coming from the top executive at Cedar Fair. Looks like the waterpark addition last year really bumped up the attendance for Valleyfair, possibly more than they expected. All good news for our home park. I can't wait to see what the future holds for Valleyfair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossed Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I'll watch optimistically from afar... like from Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Ice Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yes, Great America has a height limit of 200, Discovery Kingdom is 150. I've seen parks do "updates" and from the looks of Valleyfair, they have gone well above this. There are things that need to be re-worked and I'm anxious to see what they do with the offerings and infrastructure going forward as they expand the waterpark and build that entrance. As SFDK and CGA are my two home parks, I can say with a lot of confidence that SFDK's height limit is 150. I'm almost positive that CGA doesn't have a height limit. If it does, it isn't 200 feet since the Drop Tower is 224 feet. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dippindotsguy8 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I'll watch optimistically from afar... like from Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. Thanks for making me laugh out loud in starbucks. You win the thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmillzy Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 My bad. Screwed up the San Fran parks. CGA happens to be an interesting park. It's relativity to a major attraction - Levis Field (NFL Stadium) makes it seem like an ideal major park. The problem is its size. Unlike at VF, where there is actually space, CGA would have to destroy an attraction. Looking at their attraction page, they have a unique and interesting collection of Great America rides, Paramount rides, and Cedar Fair rides. Looking at what CF has installed, I could see both parks getting coasters and 4D dark rides. CGA would get something small like S&S 4D Free Spin, and VF would get the best B&M Invert in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Newsplusnotes.com is now reporting what Mr. Ouimet stated during the 3rd Quarter statement. They mentioned Valleyfair as contributing significantly in the attendance growth for 2015 and they mentioned Valleyfair and CGA as the two focus parks for large growth! These are not my words but words coming from the top executive at Cedar Fair. Looks like the waterpark addition last year really bumped up the attendance for Valleyfair, possibly more than they expected. All good news for our home park. I can't wait to see what the future holds for Valleyfair! We have to remember this is corporate speak to the investors, not enthusiasts. Potential is determined by considering the demographic of the markets (emphasizing population and age), local competition, weather, location and deriving a possible high end attendance figure for the park. The words can easily be turned around to mean that Valleyfair and CGA are currently not living up to their potential and CF needs to focus on these parks. It doesn't necessary mean through capital investments, the focus could be on tiered pricing for these parks. There are many ways to attract guests besides new flashy rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWingRider Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I was building up a lot of hope for 2016 and then it all went nowhere and I came back to my senses of what kind of a park VF really is. A small park that doesn't add big things. It has potential to change, soon! But for now they don't seem to be putting in very much. I don't know if VF will get big things or not but i lean towards not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWingRider Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Looking at what CF has installed, I could see both parks getting coasters and 4D dark rides. CGA would get something small like S&S 4D Free Spin, and VF would get the best B&M Invert in the world. What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmillzy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 This came across weird, but let me explain: CGA has very limited space so a more compact, tight coaster would be ideal. Then, they need something installed that is not at SFDK. An S&S 4D Free Spin (CF's 1st) would make sense. Valleyfair has more space and it would make more sense for them to get a B&M inverted coaster. B&M does not make many Gen 2 Inverts, so the one that VF would get could be astounding. It's toughest competition would be the current #1, Banshee. If it was better than Banshee, it technically would be the best B&M Invert in the world. I also think it's cool to notice how many (or how little Six Flags has) of"best of" coasters. Example: Best Giga: Fury 325 Best Invert: Banshee Best Launch: Top Thrill Dragster Best Wing: Either Thunderbird (Non CF) or Gatekeeper Best GCI: GoldStriker, Renegade Best Dive: ValRavn Although CF doesn't even carry RMC, S&S Coasters, Flying (big ones), or else, Six Flags doesn't always have world-shocking coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Password121 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 That is so skewed and opinionated. I don't want to get into an argument about this but best GCI? Really? People don't go to a park because of the "best GCI." People don't know what a GCI is, they see "wood coaster--cool!" If you put in best GCI then you might as well make it best wood, which no doubt goes to Six Flags for either El Toro or Goliath. Toss in best hyper, and you probably have Bizarro/Superman. Best giga? That's just a Cedar Fair thing. Not a comparison to make. There's only one wing coaster each... how does that dictate which *chain* does a better job with wing coasters? And X-Flight might be better anyways lol. As of 2015 neither chain has a Dive coaster. Are you seriously going to say Cedar Fair is better with Dive coasters because Six Flags chooses not to work with B&M for a 2016 Dive coaster? Toss in 4D coasters, RMC coasters, flying coasters, Intamin Prefabs, Premier Launchers... then you have, well, still a stupid thing to debate. It means nothing at all. Oh, and RMC coasters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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