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Re: Darien Lake Discussion Thread

Postby ajfelice » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:32 am

pryonisys wrote:Random thought, how can they have season passes for around $60 and Waldameer can charge $100? (I guess charge as much as people will pay)


We can charge that price at Waldameer for a variety of reasons, mostly about the type of value offered. A Darien Lake Pass is usually used 3 times throughout the season, and a Waldameer Pass is used 8-9 times on average. Darien Lake, while within an arm's reach of Buffalo and Niagara Falls, has a remote location, but Waldameer is right in the thick of 150,000 people so a quick jaunt to the park for just a couple hours or the evening is very common. Guest spending at Darien Lake is also significantly higher, so the face value of a Season Pass does not indicate the true cost of visiting.

I could go on, but the bottom line is there is a different kind of value offered. We keep an eye on what Darien Lake is up to, but the parks are very different in how they attract visitors.

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Re: Darien Lake Discussion Thread

Postby pryonisys » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:26 pm

ajfelice wrote:
pryonisys wrote:Random thought, how can they have season passes for around $60 and Waldameer can charge $100? (I guess charge as much as people will pay)


We can charge that price at Waldameer for a variety of reasons, mostly about the type of value offered. A Darien Lake Pass is usually used 3 times throughout the season, and a Waldameer Pass is used 8-9 times on average. Darien Lake, while within an arm's reach of Buffalo and Niagara Falls, has a remote location, but Waldameer is right in the thick of 150,000 people so a quick jaunt to the park for just a couple hours or the evening is very common. Guest spending at Darien Lake is also significantly higher, so the face value of a Season Pass does not indicate the true cost of visiting.

I could go on, but the bottom line is there is a different kind of value offered. We keep an eye on what Darien Lake is up to, but the parks are very different in how they attract visitors.

I think you may be getting me wrong regarding this, and I may have written it poorly also. I'm not surprised Waldameer charges what they do for season passes, I'm more surprised that Darien Lake charges as little as they do. I haven't been there in over a decade but I would have assumed they were equivalent values or that Darien Lake would have charged a little more. You are absolutely right though, it's a different value and a different area. Different parks business practices to reflect that.
Like I said initially though, charge what people are willing to pay.

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Re: Darien Lake Discussion Thread

Postby alilstronger » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:46 pm

pryonisys wrote:
ajfelice wrote:
pryonisys wrote:Random thought, how can they have season passes for around $60 and Waldameer can charge $100? (I guess charge as much as people will pay)


We can charge that price at Waldameer for a variety of reasons, mostly about the type of value offered. A Darien Lake Pass is usually used 3 times throughout the season, and a Waldameer Pass is used 8-9 times on average. Darien Lake, while within an arm's reach of Buffalo and Niagara Falls, has a remote location, but Waldameer is right in the thick of 150,000 people so a quick jaunt to the park for just a couple hours or the evening is very common. Guest spending at Darien Lake is also significantly higher, so the face value of a Season Pass does not indicate the true cost of visiting.

I could go on, but the bottom line is there is a different kind of value offered. We keep an eye on what Darien Lake is up to, but the parks are very different in how they attract visitors.

I think you may be getting me wrong regarding this, and I may have written it poorly also. I'm not surprised Waldameer charges what they do for season passes, I'm more surprised that Darien Lake charges as little as they do. I haven't been there in over a decade but I would have assumed they were equivalent values or that Darien Lake would have charged a little more. You are absolutely right though, it's a different value and a different area. Different parks business practices to reflect that.
Like I said initially though, charge what people are willing to pay.


Every park is different. Six Flags charges less then $70.00 for a season pass for Six Flags America if you want to only go to that park. Also keep in mind more people may go to Darien Lake on a daily basis so they can justify up selling a season pass to someone that may only come a couple times.

For Six Flags I paid easily about $140.00. That is a huge deal though because I have a gold pass with unlimited visits to all parks, parking at all parks, lunch/dinner/snack at all parks, drinks at all parks, 1 free photo, and 1 free skip the line. That easily would have cost well over $200.00 if I did not buy every year over Labor Day weekend when they have the biggest sale of the year.

Now if you look at something like Kings Dominion - they charge about $150.00 just for the season pass. This does not include season eating, drinking, etc. That will cost almost $200 more.

Schlitterbahn cost you $150.00 for a season pass that you can not use at all their parks. It cost about $300.00 to go to all the parks for the entire season.

My point is parks know what their demographic is and what people are willing to pay.
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Postby Canobie Coaster » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:01 pm

^ And then further to that, there are parks that don't even offer season passes like Canobie or Knoebels.
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Postby pryonisys » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:12 pm

^ All of the above makes sense.
I didn't mean to say who should charge what for season passes. I just find the differences in prices really interesting, not complaining about any of them either. I'm sure there are people who work out the market and what the park's attendees can afford to do. I just find the finances of it all kind of fascinating.

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Postby Haymaker » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:15 pm

And then there's WDW, at $600... which isnt bad, ultimately because you can go year round and pays for itself after 6 visits.

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Re: Darien Lake Discussion Thread

Postby crazykid2017 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:42 am

http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn01/details-show-darien-lake-planning-beyond-vertical-coaster-20171103&template=mwdt

Details show Darien Lake planning ‘beyond vertical’ coaster
By JIM KRENCIK

DARIEN — Darien Lake’s newest roller coaster will send riders up a near-vertical lift before launching them through a twisting, diving and looping path, according to plans submitted to the Genesee County Planning Board.

Details about the town of Darien amusement park’s next addition have been vague, but the documents filed as part of a site plan review show a ride that will fit well with the park’s past investments. No name is listed for the ride, which General Manager Chris Thorpe previously told county officials would open in the 2018 season.

“The entire team at Darien Lake is committed to investing in the park and the economic development of Genesee County,” Thorpe said in a statement Thursday. “We are thrilled with the new proposed ride and anticipate being able to announce the full details in the coming weeks, once the proper approvals are received.”

According to a preliminary site plan included in the planning referral, the new ride will be a custom version of the Euro-Fighter, a “beyond vertical” design produced by German firm Gerstlauer Amusement Rides.

Gerstlauer’s marketing for the ride describes a Guiness World Record-holding initial drop that actually pulls riders well past 90-degrees. Versions of the ride are installed at the Casino Pier amusement park in New Jersey and at Dollywood in Tennessee.

While not confirming those details Thursday, Thorpe’s comments at an Oct. 6 Genesee County Economic Development Center showed excitement within the company for what he said would be a regional draw.

“It’s very hard for me to not come out of my skin in excitement, to talk about what we want to do,” Thorpe said on Oct. 6. “We believe this ride, and the investment level into its size, scope and family thrill level will entice families from all over the northeast and into southern Ontario and Canada. People will reap the rewards of visiting Darien Lake and see what Genesee County has to offer.”

According to the planning documents, the new ride will replace the Thunder Rapids log flume water ride that is among the park’s oldest attractions, and is set to be demolished. The full project was quoted to GCEDC as a $5 million investment.

County planners will review the ride’s site plan Nov. 9, along with housing subdivisions in the town of Batavia, and storage addition at a Stafford building supply business and at an Alexander tractor dealership.
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Re: Darien Lake Discussion Thread

Postby Golddisk » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:38 am

If this article is correct, thunder rapids is being removed for a custom euro-fighter coaster. This would be an awesome addition in my opinion.

Source: http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn01/details-show-darien-lake-planning-beyond-vertical-coaster-20171103&template=mbdn

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Re: Darien Lake Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:43 am

Personally I'd rather have the flume than a Euro-fighter, but of course I would. :lol:

Darien Lake probably does have the worst flume ride of any flume I've ever ridden though (seriously... wtf is that in the water?), and it's hard to care too much when one of the better ones is right up the road at SeaBreeze.

In my mind it's still a downgrade but it will be marketable, it should save them money on staffing and it will most likely be cheaper to operate so I get the move.

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Re: Darien Lake Discussion Thread

Postby alilstronger » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:33 am

Never rode the flume here. So not sure if its a loss to the park or not in my opinion. However, the idea of a new coaster is always exciting to me!
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