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Following the rumor that Dragon Challenge may be removed to build a new Harry Potter themed attraction, Screamscape has posted a new rumor that we should expect a new family coaster/dark ride attraction concept themed to the “Forbidden Forest”. If all the rumors hold true, Universal may be working with Mack Rides to adapt their “Inverted Powered Coaster” ride system for this new attraction. To date, there are only 2 Inverted Powered Coasters; Arthur at Europa-Park and Dragon Gliders at MotionGate Dubai. But again, it is just a rumor.

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Following the rumor that Dragon Challenge may be removed to build a new Harry Potter themed attraction, Screamscape has posted a new rumor that we should expect a new family coaster/dark ride attraction concept themed to the “Forbidden Forest”. If all the rumors hold true, Universal may be working with Mack Rides to adapt their “Inverted Powered Coaster” ride system for this new attraction. To date, there are only 2 Inverted Powered Coasters; Arthur at Europa-Park and Dragon Gliders at MotionGate Dubai. But again, it is just a rumor.

Arthur is a really good dark ride, a real surprise when I went to EP last year. I'd love to see what Universal/Disney with the budgets and creative teams that they have could do with the technology.

 

Maybe not to the expense of Dragons though.

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Following the rumor that Dragon Challenge may be removed to build a new Harry Potter themed attraction, Screamscape has posted a new rumor that we should expect a new family coaster/dark ride attraction concept themed to the “Forbidden Forest”.

 

Obviously I'm not getting too excited about a Screamscape rumor but that would be absolutely awesome.

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It's unfortunate about Dragons... I knew about this about a year ago from "sources" and unfortunately, it won't be getting the Hulk treatment. A bummer, Dragon's is always a highlight of the ride collection at IOA, even when not dueling.

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I still don't even want to acknowledge this rumor. Fire Dragon is my favorite invert (Yes, over Montu, Banshee, Afterburn, etc.). It would be a huge loss if they didn't relocate these coasters to another park.

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I'd rather have dragons than ANYTHING with screens.

 

I couldn't agree more with this statement! USO/IOA has more than enough dark/screen rides. The Dragons are two of my favorite inverts and there's rarely long lines for them. I'm headed to the parks in August to check out Volcano Bay and the new stuff (Kong, Fallon), so I will be sure to get plenty of rides on them in case the rumors turn out to be true.

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I'd rather have dragons than ANYTHING with screens.

The reality is going to be that most people in the roller coaster community would rather have dragons than ANYTHING that isn't dragons.

 

Let's be honest here... Dueling Dragons was made at a time when B&M was doing ballsy, forceful rides that were pushing the intensity and creative envelope. And even though Dragons doesn't duel anymore, it's still probably in the top 5 of B&M inverted coasters. Losing that and being replaced with ANYTHING is going to be a blow to the coaster community.

 

BUT... it's no secret that Dragons has not been a success for the Harry Potter lands and even JK herself isn't thrilled by it (pun intended) and as sad as that is, that's the reality of the situation.

 

When was the last time we lost a "top ten" steel coaster? Fire Dragon one once ranked the #9 steel coaster in the world by Mitch Hawker's Poll. It seems absurd to me that a park would want to just throw away one of the world's best ranked roller coasters that STILL to this day runs AWESOME! Seriously, a night ride on Fire Dragon is STILL balls out insane! And they want to tear that down? What??? I can't be the only one who feels this way, right?

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I'd rather have dragons than ANYTHING with screens.

The reality is going to be that most people in the roller coaster community would rather have dragons than ANYTHING that isn't dragons.

 

Let's be honest here... Dueling Dragons was made at a time when B&M was doing ballsy, forceful rides that were pushing the intensity and creative envelope. And even though Dragons doesn't duel anymore, it's still probably in the top 5 of B&M inverted coasters. Losing that and being replaced with ANYTHING is going to be a blow to the coaster community.

 

BUT... it's no secret that Dragons has not been a success for the Harry Potter lands and even JK herself isn't thrilled by it (pun intended) and as sad as that is, that's the reality of the situation.

 

When was the last time we lost a "top ten" steel coaster? Fire Dragon one once ranked the #9 steel coaster in the world by Mitch Hawker's Poll. It seems absurd to me that a park would want to just throw away one of the world's best ranked roller coasters that STILL to this day runs AWESOME! Seriously, a night ride on Fire Dragon is STILL balls out insane! And they want to tear that down? What??? I can't be the only one who feels this way, right?

 

This a great, sobering post... Sad times.

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Following the rumor that Dragon Challenge may be removed to build a new Harry Potter themed attraction, Screamscape has posted a new rumor that we should expect a new family coaster/dark ride attraction concept themed to the “Forbidden Forest”.

 

Obviously I'm not getting too excited about a Screamscape rumor but that would be absolutely awesome.

 

Fifty cents that it's a Mack Powered invert like Arthur at Europa and How to...Dragons at Motiongate. Hopefully Mack pushes the thrill factor up a bit.

 

What is really sad is that Uni will not sell Dragon Challenge off, they'll cut it up and scrap it. It would be a great relocation to a park like Wild Adventures, Magic Springs, Silverwood, Frontier City, Alabama Adventures,.ect, ect, ect. Even that new OWA park in Foley Alabama.

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When was the last time we lost a "top ten" steel coaster? Fire Dragon one once ranked the #9 steel coaster in the world by Mitch Hawker's Poll. It seems absurd to me that a park would want to just throw away one of the world's best ranked roller coasters that STILL to this day runs AWESOME! Seriously, a night ride on Fire Dragon is STILL balls out insane! And they want to tear that down? What??? I can't be the only one who feels this way, right?

 

I'm torn. You're right of course, they're amazing rides. I consider Fire Dragon to be a mid-level B&M invert but pretty much every B&M invert is awesome so that's not really a knock. I also think that those coasters are running better and smoother than any other coasters on Universal Orlando property despite the fact that the other ones are all much newer.

 

Still, if you're a Harry Potter fan (and I am), the thought of an expansion area almost the size of Diagon Alley opening up for more Harry Potter stuff is an incredibly exciting prospect. Personally (emphasis on personally), I don't go to Universal for B&M inverts. I can go to Tampa and ride a much better one. I enjoy them while I'm there, but the Potter stuff is why I coughed up 179.00 per person for a single day admission. If they replace this with another awesome Harry Potter attraction I'll be perfectly okay with that.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong of course, I just think your perspective on this is going to be heavily dependent on whether or not you're into the Harry Potter stuff. I completely understand why someone who's not into it would be annoyed at the prospect of them removing 2 awesome B&M inverts for an IP they have little interest in. Selfishly though, I'm fine with it.

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Still, if you're a Harry Potter fan (and I am), the thought of an expansion area almost the size of Diagon Alley opening up for more Harry Potter stuff is an incredibly exciting prospect.

And this is part of the issue I have with it personally. Not only am I not a Harry Potter fan, but I'm also not a fan of the way Universal presents the property. IMO, I feel as though they have a perfect outlet to introduce the property to someone that is not a fan or knows little about it, so that they could then BECOME interested in the stories, but instead they do the opposite. They assume everyone entering the lands has read the books or seen the movies, and anyone who isn't in the know they treat like an idiot. (Don't even get me started on my whole "what is a Muggle" experience.) Universal's presentation of the property has actually made me LESS interested in knowing anything about the property! And this begins my rant for another time where I feel that the Harry Potter lands have been the downfall for Universal to anyone who isn't a fan of the property.

 

Personally (emphasis on personally), I don't go to Universal for B&M inverts.

Not anymore, but pre-2010, people did. Lots of people. Potter killed part of what Universal was, and I will never quite forgive them for that. We used to go to Universal ALL THE TIME and even stay on property almost as much as we did Disney from 1999 - 2009. But ever since 2010, I'm not sure we've actually stayed on Universal property once. The shift in focus of the park just doesn't appeal to us, and instead of complaining about it, because I get that we are in the minority, we just choose to visit other parks instead.

 

I just think your perspective on this is going to be heavily dependent on whether or not you're into the Harry Potter stuff.

I agree 100% - and I fully get why it's going away and really, I'm fine with it. I'm not one of these people who will get sad or defensive over a ride leaving if it makes sense for the park, and this makes a lot of sense. Case in point: you're a coaster nerd and if you are "OK" with arguably one of the world's best roller coasters leaving for more Harry Potter stuff then that shows the weight that property has with it's fans, and you can't argue with that!

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Not to get off topic but it is interesting to me how differently Disney treated the Pandora property from how Universal presents Potter. I haven't been to Pandora yet but from what I understand there is little to no reference to anything specific to the story line/characters of the film itself but rather focuses on the world the film takes place in, whereas the Potter park sections are heavily driven by the characters and story line of the films/books. It will be interesting to see what Disney eventually does with the Star Wars lands as I kind of imagine it will have to a mixture that meets somewhere in the middle of the two approaches.

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Not to get off topic but it is interesting to me how differently Disney treated the Pandora property from how Universal presents Potter. I haven't been to Pandora yet but from what I understand there is little to no reference to anything specific to the story line/characters of the film itself but rather focuses on the world the film takes place in, whereas the Potter park sections are heavily driven by the characters and story line of the films/books. It will be interesting to see what Disney eventually does with the Star Wars lands as I kind of imagine it will have to a mixture that meets somewhere in the middle of the two approaches.

I think it's more as a result of the characters in Avatar being far less memorable than the setting itself is. Potter and Star Wars have rich character histories and iconography that are easy to mine from.

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Not to get off topic but it is interesting to me how differently Disney treated the Pandora property from how Universal presents Potter. From what I understand there is little to no reference to anything specific to the story line/characters of the film itself but rather focuses on the world the film takes place in, whereas the Potter park sections are heavily driven by the characters and story line of the films/books.

This is exactly correct. I absolutely *HATE* the way Universal makes non-Potter fans feel like their are morons when they step into their lands and when you try to ask someone "what does this mean" they basically tell you in the Potterest of ways "Oh, wow, you're a fucking idiot for not knowing. Why did you even come into this land you stupid muggle???"

 

Whereas with Pandora, I have still not seen the movie and I knew absolutely NOTHING about any of the characters or the storyline, in fact I actually knew less about Avatar than I did about Harry Potter the first time entering that area. The land is welcoming and their demeanor is to "teach" assuming everyone that enters is stepping into the world of Pandora for the first time. I know now what a Na'vi is and how to say Hello and "Rise to the challenge" in whatever language they speak on Pandora! lol

 

I only know what a "muggle" is because after being called one over and over and couldn't actually get any of the "team members" in Potterland to tell me, I just Googled it. And my first thought on that day was "Wow, maybe if the people in this land could have actually TOLD ME instead of treating me like an idiot and having to go Google it myself, I might actually appreciate this more and want to know more about the property, but instead I'm totally turned off by it." Seriously ever since that day I've had a bad taste towards Potterland because I feel they treat it like a secret club or something. "Leave and go read a book and come back when you're not a Muggle" is the attitude I get from it. And I can't stand that. And I get it, they are supposed to be "in character", but the problem is to someone that doesn't know those characters is that they don't come off in-character, funny, or "mysterious" they honestly just come off as assholes.

 

And from a story-telling aspect don't even get me started on some of the stupid crap in Potterland. I had one of the team members come up to me while I was taking a picture and try to "pretend" that they didn't know what a cell phone was. But then their nametag clearly says "Julie from Davenport Florida" and her favorite movie is "Ghostbusters." Like, "really Julie from Davenport, Florida, you don't know what a cell phone is?" They could have at least given the Potter people Potter nametags that fit within the story of the land if they are going to have people "in character" come up and tell me stuff that you don't believe already, but makes it even harder to believe when their favorite Universal movie is staring at you in the face.

 

Oh, and explain to me again why you can't have Coca-Cola in London but you can have Boddington's beer? Yeah, I think I'll stick to the areas outside of Potter land...

 

It will be interesting to see what Disney eventually does with the Star Wars lands as I kind of imagine it will have to a mixture that meets somewhere in the middle of the two approaches.

While I know Star Wars more than I know Potter, I'm also not the biggest Star Wars fan either. I'm going to hope you are right that it will be a mix of the two. Clearly Avatar, while still being the world's #1 highest grossing movie, didn't stick with people as well as franchises like Potter, Star Wars, and Marvel does. So obviously going into Star Wars land, more people are going to be in the know, but I run into people all the time that are either very casual Star Wars fans, or know little about it. Even myself, I've only seen 4 out of the 6 Star Wars movie and the last one I actually have only seen on an airplane! lol I'd have to think that Disney will do their best to try to capture those people and turn them into fans, instead of insulting them and turning them away like Potter does.

 

Honestly I went into Potter with a completely open mind, and the creative behind the land killed it for me, and ever since I've never been able to be a fan. But, you know...as a non fan there was always at least Dueling Dragons to ride! Oh, wait...

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I rode both sides of Dragon Challenge once back in December 2015 and was pretty disappointed by them. They felt like an "average" B&M Mega-looper. However, I decided to ride them again last June, and they were so much better in the back row. I especially love the wraparound Immelmann on Chinese Fireball! I hope that these coasters do not get sent to the scrapyard and that Universal at least tries to sell the coasters at a reasonable price, otherwise it would be a devastating loss. As for a new attraction, a Mack powered invert would be quite interesting, however it would be nice to see another thrilling coaster added into the lineup to make up for the loss of two of their biggest coasters.

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Could the way Universal presents the Harry Potter land be because of J.K Rowling? Doesnt she have a really big say in everything that goes on in HP section of the park? Ive also heard that she is not a fan of the coaster, which is one reason why Universal has been rumored to remove it.

 

Ive also heard that Universal is also planning a third park where they bought all that land not to long ago. Could it be possible that *if* that rumor is true, they might relocate the coaster to said park?

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I wonder if these rumours of the removal of Dragons are peaking because it might be near the end of its life? Dragons is just as old as Hulk. A park is not likely to tear down a perfectly healthy coaster, but if they need to choose between a rebuild of the entire coaster(s) or install a brand new ride, the choice might swing in favor of a new ride.

 

Which I would truly detest TBH, Dragons is one of the best rides in FL.

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I don't think it has anything to do with the Dragons reaching the end of their life at all, but more likely how many more people they can attract with a new Harry Potter specific ride. Also if you consider the size of the land taken up by the Dragons, they can easily fit a couple of rides and more retail & food outlets in that space.

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