coasterbill Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) I'm not complaining. I stated pretty clearly that I don't care. But I don't believe that they're removing the water features because of a drought. I believe they're removing them because they don't feel like paying the small amount of money necessary to maintain then going forward. There's no reason to make a permanent change for a temporary drought, they could just turn them off and let them dry up and claim it's because they're being drought friendly, then when the drought is over they could run them again. As I said, I don't care. My entire point is that it's a ridiculous excuse for cost cutting (and again, it's logical cost cutting that won't take away from anyone's experience so I'm not complaining, just laughing at their stupid PR spin). Edited February 16, 2016 by coasterbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gisco Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Help me Honda... Help help me Honda... Love the new paint job. Looking really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Look, I hate SFMM as much as the next person, but you guys are getting ridiculous with the nitpicking. The SFMM thread is hundreds and hundreds of pages long, and I highly doubt there is a single mention of how nice the queue was. It's all about how terrible the ride was with OTSR's. You get the removal of the OTSR's and now you're complaining about removing a water feature you probably didn't even notice?!?!? Seriously, there was a water feature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOG1991 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 ^I always thought the setting and queue for this ride were some of the best things about it, and I haven't even been to the park. Im thinking that this New Revolution will go faster, & being smoother than ever! Did they make any mention of cutting back on the trim brakes at all? There are sooo many trim brakes, and sadly I know they are necessary to some extent, but they seem like they are way too severe. What is the history of this coaster and the use of trim brakes? Were they all there since the first year? Were they run at a lower strength in the past? They just seem to really hold the ride back a bit too much in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOG1991 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 The water is recycled anyways, so I highly doubt the cost of maintaining/operating the old stream through the queue was that high to begin with... The fact that is recycled is why this doesn't make much sense. I doubt the park is doing this to save water, since it barely uses water. As for PR, I doubt a park full of water rides and a full size water park is going to get bad PR for having a fountain, or good PR for removing it. The general cost of running and maintaining an existing water feature probably doesn't cost much, but replacing the system might be. Chances are the pumps were extremely old and everything needed replaced and just dumping dirty and flowers in it is cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterlvr Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 the helpful honda thing is just a couple stickers on the front and back of the vehicles. i'm surprised it's not some crazy wrap. i guess i haven't ridden revolution enough lately to remember when the last time the water thing was working, or, that that small corner area wasn't part of the line. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeyrolet Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Seeing as you guys are not from California, you probably don't understand how much hype there is behind being "drought friendly" right now in CA. Pretty much every city, corporation, and homeowner that can afford it is doing it because things are very bad and there's free PR to be had. You also probably don't understand how expensive going drought friendly really is without any rebates (a good looking drought friendly re-model of a small front yard is at least 10K), so Six Flags is probably paying more to re-landscape than to have just left it as is... The water is recycled anyways, so I highly doubt the cost of maintaining/operating the old stream through the queue was that high to begin with... Look, I hate SFMM as much as the next person, but you guys are getting ridiculous with the nitpicking. The SFMM thread is hundreds and hundreds of pages long, and I highly doubt there is a single mention of how nice the queue was. It's all about how terrible the ride was with OTSR's. You get the removal of the OTSR's and now you're complaining about removing a water feature you probably didn't even notice?!?!? From what I was told this is was discussed by the park on the tour. The water feature areas would be used for new landscaping. As a fellow born and raised Californian I know the meaning of be "drought conscious." I loved Revolution's queue, but am excited to see the new updated version. Even if includes new plants were a waterwall use to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMountainMan Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I can't honestly say I've ever seen the waterfall at Revolution ever work. I'm assuming the entire system would have to be replaced in order for the waterfall and creek to work again and they figured it wasn't worth it. Oh well, hopefully the landscaping that goes in its place looks nice. I do wish that they start replacing some of the trees they have cut down though because they have cut down A LOT. Overall I am a fan of what they have been doing though, the front area of the park has been looking pretty shabby for a while now. I'm also interested to see what the lights in the loop end up being, perhaps a sweet LED package that does the loop justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeyrolet Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I can't honestly say I've ever seen the waterfall at Revolution ever work. I'm assuming the entire system would have to be replaced in order for the waterfall and creek to work again and they figured it wasn't worth it. Oh well, hopefully the landscaping that goes in its place looks nice. I do wish that they start replacing some of the trees they have cut down though because they have cut down A LOT. Overall I am a fan of what they have been doing though, the front area of the park has been looking pretty shabby for a while now. I'm also interested to see what the lights in the loop end up being, perhaps a sweet LED package that does the loop justice? I agree i can't remember the last time i saw the waterfall working. Maybe when I was a kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBrylczyk Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Did they make any mention of cutting back on the trim brakes at all? At WCB last year they said the trims were staying. It was met by a loud, collective groan from everyone in attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveydo5172 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 The transfer track platform looks phenomenal! It was always so run down looking in that part, dank and scary! It's bright, fresh and cheery now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOG1991 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Did they make any mention of cutting back on the trim brakes at all? At WCB last year they said the trims were staying. It was met by a loud, collective groan from everyone in attendance. Thanks! I figured this had come up by now. While I can see that some of them, if not all, would need to remain, the level at which they are used really needs to be cut back. The train looks like it is barely making it through the course after some of them. Well at least it will look nice and there will be no more head bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 The water is recycled anyways, so I highly doubt the cost of maintaining/operating the old stream through the queue was that high to begin with... The fact that is recycled is why this doesn't make much sense. I doubt the park is doing this to save water, since it barely uses water. As for PR, I doubt a park full of water rides and a full size water park is going to get bad PR for having a fountain, or good PR for removing it. The general cost of running and maintaining an existing water feature probably doesn't cost much, but replacing the system might be. Chances are the pumps were extremely old and everything needed replaced and just dumping dirty and flowers in it is cheaper. My parents received a quote for 12k to re-do just their front lawn. Landscaping isn't cheap. Again, if you lived in CA, you would see how pretty much every where you go there is a sign about water conservation, a press release about "going green," or some way to let the world know "we're doing our part." It obviously won't be the selling point of the new ride, but I guarantee the PR team will know to have it ready as a talking point. "Our new landscaping is going to reduce the water amount needed for plants...blah blah blah...." Complaining about landscaping is complaining for the sake of complaining. If you want to complain about cost cutting, you should be complaining that they are marketing a long overdue ride refurbishment as their big new addition for 2016. But because everyone is excited to have the OTSR's removed and that doesn't fit the narrative that Six Flags sucks, we have to resort to nitpicking about landscaping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 To be fair I don't really think anyone is complaining. A few of us are laughing at the dumb PR spin but I don't think anyone's really upset by this. lol I'm thrilled for the ride, I love his new direction within the industry of fixing up old rides and making them ride-able and fun again. I have no issue with them marketing them as new rides because for all intents and purposes they really do feel that way if done right (as I feel this will be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOG1991 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 The water is recycled anyways, so I highly doubt the cost of maintaining/operating the old stream through the queue was that high to begin with... The fact that is recycled is why this doesn't make much sense. I doubt the park is doing this to save water, since it barely uses water. As for PR, I doubt a park full of water rides and a full size water park is going to get bad PR for having a fountain, or good PR for removing it. The general cost of running and maintaining an existing water feature probably doesn't cost much, but replacing the system might be. Chances are the pumps were extremely old and everything needed replaced and just dumping dirty and flowers in it is cheaper. My parents received a quote for 12k to re-do just their front lawn. Landscaping isn't cheap. Again, if you lived in CA, you would see how pretty much every where you go there is a sign about water conservation, a press release about "going green," or some way to let the world know "we're doing our part." It obviously won't be the selling point of the new ride, but I guarantee the PR team will know to have it ready as a talking point. "Our new landscaping is going to reduce the water amount needed for plants...blah blah blah...." Complaining about landscaping is complaining for the sake of complaining. If you want to complain about cost cutting, you should be complaining that they are marketing a long overdue ride refurbishment as their big new addition for 2016. But because everyone is excited to have the OTSR's removed and that doesn't fit the narrative that Six Flags sucks, we have to resort to nitpicking about landscaping... My comments about replacing a water feature with landscaping has nothing to do with my other feelings about the attraction. I am actually in marketing and what they are doing in terms of marketing makes perfect sense. I am also a huge Schwarzkopf fan and fan of maintaining classics in general, so if the park wants to restore their classic, I am beyond excited. I may not live in CA, but here in Atlanta we had a huge drought problem a few years back with bans on all outdoor use of water and concerns about running out of drinking water supply, all while our lake was down some 30 feet and basically half dried up (it took years to recover). Again, Magic Mountain is not removing the water feature because of this (in fact, watering the new landscaping will probably use a similar amount of water to recycling the same water, and just replacing what evaporates), they are probably removing it because they likely would have to spend much more to replace all the pumps and pipes for the feature. Also, it is generally one less thing for them to worry about. It makes plenty of sense to remove it, but I wish they were keeping it and I am allowed to share that opinion. Just because it isn't directly related to the coaster itself on a forum full of coaster enthusiasts doesn't make it nitpicking. There are landscape enthusiasts in the world too. Fountain enthusiasts as well (I am actually good friends with one who is extremely bummed that SFOG is removing the fountain in their children's area lol). Complaining about landscaping is NOT complaining for the sake of complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOG1991 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 To be fair I don't really think anyone is complaining. A few of us are laughing at the dumb PR spin but I don't think anyone's really upset by this. lol I'm thrilled for the ride, I love his new direction within the industry of fixing up old rides and making them ride-able and fun again. I have no issue with them marketing them as new rides because for all intents and purposes they really do feel that way if done right (as I feel this will be). This. If Six Flags needs to market a ride as new to justify restoring it, I am fine with it! They did the same to Monster Plantation at SFOG. I wasn't a fan of the rename to Monster Mansion (less creative/fitting) but whatever it takes to justify the restoration of a classic that should essentially live on forever, I am for. Oh and they did a very good job restoring it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geauga Dog Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Nice photos! I'm thrilled that Revolution is getting some love. I don't have an issue with the supports being painted blue but I think the loop should have stayed all white and lit up with color changing LED's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I'll just leave it at this: I consider it to be nitpicking because you are ASSUMING it's a cost cutting move when you actually have no idea it is. If you were the contractor and knew for a fact they decided to do this because it was the lower bid vs. keeping the existing set up, then you would have a point. You don't even know how the final landscape design will look, so it's a little premature to bash them at this point. "Drought resistant" landscaping can look fantastic or terrible and cheap. Wait until you see the final product before assuming. I'm also not trying to take anything away from their marketing plan. It works. Can't fault them. But if the discussion is going to be about them being cheap, it is worth noting that it is YEARS of being cheap that led to the ride needing a major refurbishment in the first place. Six Flags tried so hard to spin them not taking care of Revolution to the point where Tim Burkhart flat out lied about it being a state regulation as to the reason they couldn't modify the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgeboy Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 What I'm curious about, and no one has mentioned that I've seen so far, is will single rider be returning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBrylczyk Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 What I'm curious about, and no one has mentioned that I've seen so far, is will single rider be returning? Considering it was a worthless queue before the restoration, I doubt it. I mean, yeah, they're repainting and getting new trains, but I seriously doubt the ride is going to pull lines again. At least not past the first few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 What I'm curious about, and no one has mentioned that I've seen so far, is will single rider be returning? Considering it was a worthless queue before the restoration, I doubt it. I mean, yeah, they're repainting and getting new trains, but I seriously doubt the ride is going to pull lines again. At least not past the first few weeks. What are you talking about? It's got a blue loop now!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Looking very nice! I'm glad they are going all out for this renovation. Hopefully Tatsu will get a fresh coat of paint as well, but I doubt it. Perhaps next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I remember the fountains/waterfalls not only near the queue, but at the last helix near the Carousel working and running. I think they took that away once Tatsu was built. To be completely honest, I LOVED THEM! They were a very nice "Mountain feeling" part of the queue that made kind of a serene atmosphere. There's something about water themeing that is majestic and nice. I know the ride is old, I know they're doing what they can to restore the ride, but I was sad to see the water element leave the last helix, and I'm sad to see it leave completely now. However, the fountain area in the queue area had not been working for at least a decade. While I definitely think the "drought" reason is an excuse considering they have Roaring Rapids and Jet Stream in the park, with a water park next door, I'm sure continuing to run those kinds of things were an immediate, and long term commitment to maintenance and upkeep that this park just hasn't been interested in incorporating the last decade. In fact if Valencia falls wasn't smack dab at the entrance of the park, I have a feeling they would have done away with it similarly in a way they did with the water area located where the (now being taken down) Batman Theater is. It's really a shame what a magical place the park was (or appeared to be) with little details simply made with water effects. Once you get past the main plaza, the park feels less like a mountain, and more like a desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdaddy Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 One more thing...two loose article bins in the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 ^^ Well in all fairness the park may be cutting back where they can. There is NO way a park that gets as hot as SFMM does could get by with no water rides or waterpark. Come on now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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